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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

The 5:2 thread number 34 - New Year (title courtesy of B&W) Come and join us and take CONTROL! Of your weight, and of your lives.

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BigChocFrenzyAteYourReindeer · 30/12/2013 01:10

The continuing thread for those of us following the 5:2 fast or other forms of fasting such as 4:3, ADF, or daily 16:8.
The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012 and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat normally - or approximately your Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE - see explanation below). 4:3 is the same except you fast on 3 days in the week. Alternate-day fasting (ADF) is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. 16:8 is another form where you stick to only eating in an 8 hour window each day, therefore fasting for 16 hours each day.
By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.
You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.
WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.
MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website or app many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.
TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.
NFD = Non fast day
NSV = Non scale victory
Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his book on the subject. Please go check it out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!
Lurkers and new starters: please just jump in and post - you'll find a lot of support here and we’re a friendly bunch.
Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:
All our previous threads can be found by browsing through the fasting section of the site.
Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the tips and links that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!
eatriskier’s thread has some lovely inspiring stories which are worth checking out if you want some motivation to get started or keep going through a plateau. Please add your own too.
frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!
If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.
Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon - link to that programme here.
A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.
This link nicely demonstrates that there are many body ‘right’ body shapes and types, because what we are actually aiming for is low body fat for fitness and health.
A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting. (I highly recommend this for an overview)
A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")
Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI. (Though anecdotal evidence from these long-running threads may suggest otherwise…)
A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful.
A HUGE THANK YOU to Greeneggsandnicht for putting together all this info and resources into one concise OP text, much appreciated by so many 5:2ers!
Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this way of life!

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Eatriskier · 31/12/2013 20:46

Just had my new year's eve ruined by the revelation Sherlock is on tomorrow. I'd been so looking forward to it tonight to Sad. More Wine to numb the pain then?

WhenSheWasBadSheWasExhausted · 31/12/2013 20:49

mum 524cals sounds pretty good to me. Well done

biscuits how does a 16:8 but a nfd work? Do you eat a normal amount of calories but miss breakfast?

I'm planning a fast tomorrow. Will be my first one, I can have 1000 cals as I am breast feeding (thanks for the info guys), it is really unplanned so I'm planning on putting off eating as late as possible.

Breadandwine · 31/12/2013 21:23

Been here all along, Toffee. Grin

Loads of ideas on there - but I bet you can add to them, given your skills!

Hope you're feeling better - if not now, very soon! Flowers

Thanks for the new thread, BC - and the namecheck, which wasn't really necessary, but thanks, anyway.

BiscuitsAreMyDownfall · 31/12/2013 21:29

whenshewas I should be calorie counting, but I haven't really started 5:2 properly yet, waiting till I'm back at work (I start a new job next week). So I've been taking the easier option of just doing 16:8 for a couple of weeks. I've not had breakfast for months now so I'm finding it really easy to ease myself into this WOE. Next week I will make sure I stick to my TDEE on NFDs.

BigChocFrenzyAteYourReindeer · 31/12/2013 22:35

funny asked about this, maybe useful to others recovering from bugs

Recovering from colds

Do:

  • Eat veg & fruit rich in anti-oxidants and vitamin C: garlic (best of all), also bell peppers,Brussels sprouts, broccoli, cabbage, veg/tomato juice, oranges, berries, kiwifruit etc
  • Eat good-quality protein: fish, beans, lentils, unprocessed lean meat
  • Eat a few squares of dark chocolate, at least 70% cocoa.
  • Get plenty of sleep
  • Take gentle exercise, e.g. walks outdoors in dry weather

Avoid:

  • Alcohol
  • Added sugar, including in cakes, biscuits, tarts, confectionary
  • Heavily processed foods
  • Long runs or HIIT for at least 1 week after last symptoms
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hopefulgum · 31/12/2013 23:37

Another great thing that will help you recover from illness(and prevent it) is bone broth, or as I know it, stock made from bones. In the last couple of years I have changed my WOE drastically - starting out going Gluten free (which banished a great deal of bloating and tummy woes), then discovering the Paleo woe - no grains, grass fed meat, loads of fruit and vege and healthy fats, and discovered "bone broth" through Paleo.

Apparently it has all sorts of health benefits, and the minerals and gelatine in the broth is great for your gut, which in turn affects all aspects of our health.

Here's some info, if you are interested.I always make a big pot of it to drink when I am sick, or if someone in the family is ill. After having a D&V bug, it is usually the only thing I can face.

Thanks for the tips about the Indian food. I had a look online, and most of it really is a calorie laden bomb! So Although I didn't fast until dinner, I did go light and had 1000 calories to spare for dinner. I heartily tried all the dishes our group ordered and indulged in some gluten free naan. But I did say no to dessert and only had one gin and tonic all night. I was so pleased (and I'd even call it a NSV for me) that after finishing what was on my plate I was able to stop eating despite there being plenty of food left on the table. I felt full and just stopped where before I would have "just a little bit more".

Sticking to TDEE today and fasting tomorrow. I almost feel excited about it. How weirdConfusedGrin

BigChocFrenzyAteYourReindeer · 01/01/2014 00:07

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BigChocFrenzyAteYourReindeer · 01/01/2014 02:17

Oooh, that NY message looks fine on iPad, but gibberish on iPhone5S, so apologies if anyone can't read it.

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Breadandwine · 01/01/2014 02:22

I've had a response to your good wishes ready for the past two hours, but Mumsnet wouldn't let me post it. Sad

It was along the lines of:
Wow, BigChoc! How did you do that? Very impressive!

Happy New Year to you - and to all fasters and maintainers. This is the year you'll meet your goals - whether to lose weight or maintain. Smile

ATB, B&W

BigChocFrenzyAteYourReindeer · 01/01/2014 02:48

Happy new year, B&W. I'm glad you could read it.
I programmed my message like a fancy SMS
Xmas Smile
It displayed ok with the Safari browser on iPad and iPhone, but is gibberish with the MN App on iPhone.
Confused
Oh, well, long past bedtime. G'night.

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ToffeeOwnsTheSausage · 01/01/2014 08:17

Happy New Year Everyone!

Great picture BigChoc!

Thank you BreadandWine. Blush that I have missed it. Still coughing and feel tight. Bored now with it all. DH back to work tomorrow and we didn't get a minute on our own never mind the lunch out we planned Sad.

I feel fat. Definitely podgier around the middle. Have clearly been eating more calories than I thought. Today I feel flat so not sure what I will do. DS2 is coughing really badly Sad. Just pants.

MelanieCheeks · 01/01/2014 08:59

Lovely picture, BigChoc!

Happy New Year everyne, onwards and downwards eh? I've done my hula-hooping, am off now to try ParkRunning fasted.

TheLeastAccomplishedBennetGirl · 01/01/2014 09:33

Morning everyone, and all the best for 2014

Melanie I often run when fasting, 5k or less isn't far enough to need extra fuel, and if you can get a decent pace (which I suspect you can) is great for fat-burning.

I fasted yesterday, 250cals, and meant to weigh in when I was in town but was distracted having DD and DH with me and forgot. I actually feel slimmer now, it's strange how your perception is skewed. Training your eyes isn't just about portion control for me.

BsshBossh · 01/01/2014 09:43

Happy New Year everyone! Feel a bit bloated from over-indulging on the chocolates last night. I'm not a drinker really so the only hangover I'm suffering this morning is a chocolate one Grin.

Our annual New Year's Day tradition is a long walk across Hampstead Heath then pizza in Kentish Town but it's due to really bucket down mid-morning... I want to brave it as we've done it every year but... We'll see. DH is up for it but my 5yo has other ideas!

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage · 01/01/2014 09:53

I have bacon and stilton pull-apart bread in the oven. It looks very nice. Probably more calories than a FD would allow Grin.

postmanpatscat · 01/01/2014 09:53

Happy New Year to you all...and a skinnier one too!

BetsyBell · 01/01/2014 09:55

Happy new year everyone :)

Nice pic bigchoc (on my laptop anyway Wink )

Having indulged 2 nights ago I didn't drink yesterday. I snacked all day though so was preparing for a fast day today.

But then yesterday's baking looked at me; begged me to put it out of it's misery. So one huge mincepie chelsea bun consumed and the rest hacked into small pieces and put in the freezer Blush

So, today is not a fast day then.

Tomorrow is Thursday which is an excellent day for fasting Grin

Good job as I really need it - feeling the size of a small elephant today. Weighed down by baked goods, pastries and pringles. Bleugh.

I think I need to ditch the sugar and grains again for a while. Not sure I can manage all that until we're back at school/work though.

Hmm, maybe I need to make this my last festive day, fast tomorrow then back to the clean eating.

Nothing like indecisiveness is there!

BiscuitsAreMyDownfall · 01/01/2014 10:09

Well I so wish I hadn't measured myself although I know I needed to. I'm much bigger than I thought I would be. Here are my stats:

Height: 5:5
Weight: 10 stone 12lbs
BMI: 25.2 (according to NHS website)
Bust: 40 inches
Just under bust: 33 inches
Belly: 40 inches Shock Sad
Hips: 38 inches
Each thigh: 22 inches
Dress size: 14 Confused how with that large belly Hmm

Anyway so that's how I'm starting off the year. Will be interesting to see how it changes.

Eatriskier · 01/01/2014 10:17

Happy New Year all.
May you be less hungover than me Wink

biscuits Don't feel too bad about your waist measurement, a few weeks after I started this woe I measured in at 44 inches (and I'd lost about 10lb by that stage so god knows what it was originally). I am now sporting a rather teeny 26inch waist. You can do it and it will go!

BiscuitsAreMyDownfall · 01/01/2014 10:29

Thanks eat I was just shocked how big I was. It's a good thing to know though so I'm not fooling myself.

BiscuitsAreMyDownfall · 01/01/2014 11:04

DH has just shocked me.

We are having our usual mid morning drink. Now usually we will have a bite to eat too (when I'm not fasting). So in he comes with our drinks and no food. I asked him about it and he has decided that from now on he's not going to eat if he's not hungry. It's his new thing apparently. I don't know if it will last but I hope it does. The problem I have now is that I'm hungry Grin Will just stick with my drink and wait until lunch in just over an hour. A bit of hunger won't kill me.

WhenSheWasBadSheWasExhausted · 01/01/2014 11:13

toffee sorry your ds is still ill mine still has a cough and is very phlegmy, this cold really sucks.

biscuits you are very brave measuring yourself after Xmas. I don't think I have the guts to do my measurements and I don't know where the tape measure is

eat 44 inches to 26 is amazing, I had a 26 inch waist when I was 16, I think those days are long gone. Sad

I have more to lose than you

Height 5 foot 7
Weight 11 stone 10
Bmi 25.7

I am more of a pear shape, I know it's healthier but I hate having a fat ass and thunder thighs.

This is my first ever fast day. So far I've had 88 calories and am a bit hungry. Remembered that dh's mum and dad are coming round later and cooking us dinner. It's so sweet of them but will make it hard to stick within my 1000 cal limit.

positively9something · 01/01/2014 11:29

Happy new year all Grin

I am just marking my spot on the new thread and I will be back soon to have a proper look at how we are all doing Wink

mttum · 01/01/2014 11:45

Happy new Year everyone!

Oops, I somehow appear to have put on 6lb over the last two weeks; how could that have happened?

Let the fasting commence!! (Tomorrow - Indian takeaway planned for tonight Grin)

vieenrose · 01/01/2014 11:46

Happy New Year fellow 5:2ers!
Am starting 2014 with a fast!
I had quite an indulgent meal last night but it was worth it: oysters, fresh crab and gambas, homemade mayonnaise, delicious bread, cheese, apple tart, and loads of wine and champagne.
Time to get back on track after a week off for the holidays
I wish everybody much happiness in the new year

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