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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

The 5:2 thread number 34 - New Year (title courtesy of B&W) Come and join us and take CONTROL! Of your weight, and of your lives.

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BigChocFrenzyAteYourReindeer · 30/12/2013 01:10

The continuing thread for those of us following the 5:2 fast or other forms of fasting such as 4:3, ADF, or daily 16:8.
The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012 and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat normally - or approximately your Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE - see explanation below). 4:3 is the same except you fast on 3 days in the week. Alternate-day fasting (ADF) is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. 16:8 is another form where you stick to only eating in an 8 hour window each day, therefore fasting for 16 hours each day.
By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.
You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.
WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.
MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website or app many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.
TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.
NFD = Non fast day
NSV = Non scale victory
Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his book on the subject. Please go check it out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!
Lurkers and new starters: please just jump in and post - you'll find a lot of support here and we’re a friendly bunch.
Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:
All our previous threads can be found by browsing through the fasting section of the site.
Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the tips and links that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!
eatriskier’s thread has some lovely inspiring stories which are worth checking out if you want some motivation to get started or keep going through a plateau. Please add your own too.
frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!
If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.
Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon - link to that programme here.
A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.
This link nicely demonstrates that there are many body ‘right’ body shapes and types, because what we are actually aiming for is low body fat for fitness and health.
A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting. (I highly recommend this for an overview)
A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")
Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI. (Though anecdotal evidence from these long-running threads may suggest otherwise…)
A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful.
A HUGE THANK YOU to Greeneggsandnicht for putting together all this info and resources into one concise OP text, much appreciated by so many 5:2ers!
Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this way of life!

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FunnyFestiveTableRunner · 30/12/2013 23:43

Marking place.

hopefulgum · 31/12/2013 00:23

OMG!Page 3 already, this thread is like wildfire....

Not much to say, so marking my place. Hello to newbies. This thread has really kept me motivated, particularly over the Christmas madness!

My grilled peaches and mascarpone really hit the spot last night. I was very pleased to have finished the day just under TDEE. Today will be a bit more of a challenge as it is New Year's Eve and we are going out to dinner at an Indian restaurant. I'll try to go light all day.

I know with this way of eating I shouldn't worry too much about what I eat on NFD's, but my BMI is high and I need to get it down, so I will try to stick with TDEE on NFD's, so clues anyone, about what to choose to eat tonight that isn't a massive calorie bomb?Confused

I am feeling more and more determined to shift the extra weight, and though on the other thread I said "I don't want to count calories on NFD's", I think I will because I'm hurtling towards 50 (I'm 47) and I know that as I age I will get heavier and I just don't want to feel bad in my skin anymore.So 2014 is the year I will get down to a healthy BMIGrin

Leopardspots · 31/12/2013 00:42

Thanks. Here's to a lighter 2014! Smile

ChubbyKitty · 31/12/2013 00:57

Yay I found the new threadSmile

MrsFlorrick · 31/12/2013 01:02

Lots of newbies!! Grin Welcome one and all.

This thread is a friendly place with some extremely helpful people.

Happy new year to you all.

BigChocFrenzyAteYourReindeer · 31/12/2013 02:08

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NEW 5:2 EXERCISE THREAD

collecting all our fitness and exercise tips in one place:

Here

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Have a look at it and start exercising ! Or add your own tips.

It's very long, Blush because I had to include the academic stuff that some of us like as well as the pure "how to do things".

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Greenkit · 31/12/2013 02:45

Hello, I did post on the other thread but only one or two posts. I was really excited about trying the 5:2 diet as I have heard great things about it, but found I suffered from a migraine when fasting.

How do I get around this?

EarSlaps · 31/12/2013 06:22

Greenkit- did you drink lots and lots of water? Normally we get most of the water we need from our food, so if you're not eating as much you need to make sure you drink more. Also, some people find they need something salty on fast days- a drink of hot bovril if you're struggling is really good. I don't normally like things salty but on fast days I crave salt.

ELR · 31/12/2013 07:23

greenkit I suffer from migraine so ensure that I drink plenty on fast days and as earslaps says something salty, I have a cup of veg bouillon. Also if you normally drink tea or coffee keep that up too as it could caffeine withdrawal.
If fasting on waking I have a large glass of water followed about half an hour later with a cup if tea, I then have another tea mid morning then a large glass of water and a small lunch as I split my calories, then a tea. I have another large glass of water around 3pm then around 4.30ish I have a cup of hot bouillon. Then dinner around 6/7 and a tea around 8pm then before bed a small glass of water.

ELR · 31/12/2013 07:30

In other news I got weighed this morning and pleased to report I am
10st 7lb the same weight I was on 19th December so have not gained over Christmas. I did a mini fast on Saturday and yesterday skipping breakfast and having around 1000-1200 calories.
So I'm finishing 2013 a total of 7.5lbs lighter than I started it!
It is however 9.5lbs heavier than I was in July but this is the first time in 8 years I have been less than 10st10lb my default weight on 31st December.
Roll on 2014!!!

headintheclouds · 31/12/2013 07:35

hi All, welcome to all the newbies. just checking in after over a week of festivities! I decided to do 6:1 over the 2 weeks hols and fasted yesterday and last Monday... I do feel as if I've put a couple of pounds back on..but that will soon drop off once I get back on 5:2 next Monday . The end of January will mark my 1st year anniversary of this WOE ...
Looking forward to today's NFD ..in work today but we're having party food and Roast Pheasant for New Year's Eve dinner tonight .
happy New Year all..here's to another great year of continued fasting and good health! X

Mazzledazzle · 31/12/2013 08:13

Morning guys! And may I say you are a talkative bunch Smile.

Haven't had a chance to read the rest of the thread yet, but just checking in with another loss. I'm now half a pound lighter than I was just before the Chrisymas splurge! That's nine and a half pounds down in the last month.

Usually after a FD, by body craves sugar and carbs, but woke up today and I'm not hungry! Someone said in the last thread that your body will adjust and it obviously has.

Thanks for the exercise thread bigchoc I'll have a look later. And well done DLR! Also thanks for the advice re. migraine as I get them too.

Mazzledazzle · 31/12/2013 08:14

Christmas!

Eatriskier · 31/12/2013 08:32

I didn't hit the champers last night in the end. It felt a little wrong considering were not sure if her not coming back was to do with emigrating, being homed or death. And her son who threatened to kill Dd when she was 5mo seems to be in possession of the house. Though at least we won't be victims to her paranoid delusions any more (and neither will the neighbours on the other side).

I'm splurging tonight. Really looking forward to it! Gotta welcome new year in style. My style will includes a lot of food and bubbly whilst wearing a cookie monster onesie and watching sherlock.

Hope everyone has a good one tonight however they're celebrating (including those who are choosing to fast)

MelanieCheeks · 31/12/2013 08:37

It's lovely hitting teh end of teh year knowing that I'm in better shape than when i started it! I began 5:2ing mid January, so that's just about a full year done. And I still love it, and am looking forward to continuing in 2014.

Right, I'm off to the fitness thread, and I'm taking my hula hoop with me!

BsshBossh · 31/12/2013 08:56

Happy New Years Eve everyone! We're celebrating quietly at home tonight. I've skipped breakfast then will have a normal lunch and dinner (so a 16:8 day). I'm going to make a baked halibut with wilted greens, tahini sauce & pine nuts (from the current Red magazine) for dinner, then we'll have Christmas pudding and brandy cream followed by some "posh chocs". What's everyone else having?

BsshBossh · 31/12/2013 08:56

Whoops, forgot to say: well done Christmas maintainers and losers!

WhenSheWasBadSheWasExhausted · 31/12/2013 08:57

Hi leopard I'm new too so can't answer any of your questions just wanted to wish you luck with the weight loss and ttc.

It took me 1 year to conceive dc 2 (9 weeks old) and I wish you the very best of luck with it.

hopeful not sure what to eat for an Indian, just try and avoid creamy stuff I guess.

I might have a quick look at what you guys are up to on the except use thread. I fancy trying the shred but there's no way I have time for it at the moment.

BsshBossh · 31/12/2013 09:00

hopeful why don't you fast all day so you can really splurge and enjoy your Indian meal tonight? That's what I'd do. Or have a light breakfast and skip lunch. And definitely no snacking...

Bramblesinforrin · 31/12/2013 09:01

Hello to all newbies.

Well, thinking positively, I am in better shape and so much light than a year ago. And thinking positively again, I'm sure I will lose the few extra lbs I have put back on over Christmas - it goes on so quickly! A lighter eating day today before I go out to a nye party, then back to fasting twice a week until I'm back to that target weight.

Good luck evyone.

Emmabryant123 · 31/12/2013 09:54

Managed a 16:8 yesterday in the end.Wasnt to bad either.
Lunch around 12pm was:
Porridge with banana and nuts and raisins in
Tea around5pm was a cheese and beans toastie and a ham and cheese toastie and a yoghurt.

TheLeastAccomplishedBennetGirl · 31/12/2013 10:10

Thanks for the new threads BigChoc

Welcome to new posters, you won't regret joining at all. All the evidence is there, not just about the fantastic weight loss, but all the health benefits too.

And as a NSV, I've been shopping this week and have dropped almost 3 sizes since the summer, and a half shoe size!

LOFD today and just gearing myself up for a run too

Good luck everyone for today, and a happy and healthier new year Thanks

BigChocFrenzyAteYourReindeer · 31/12/2013 10:18

Well done everyone who has achieved SWATH (Same Weight After The Holidays)
(me too, so far)
Amazing that some eager tykes have actually lost weight !

Think how much you would have gained pre-5:2.

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Southeastdweller · 31/12/2013 10:18

Bssh Your dinner sounds fab as usual. I'm going to La Fromagerie later for some sourdough bread and cheese and then go into Rococo opposite for some chocolate.

hopeful I agree with Bssh about fasting all day then eat whatever you want tonight. Indian food is generally very calorie-dense isn't it so it's hard to eat light if you're not full when you get there.

Yes it sure does feel good to go into a brand new year looking and feeling an all-time best Smile

BigChocFrenzyAteYourReindeer · 31/12/2013 10:20

I haven't done New year Resolutions before, but how about these ?
Xmas Grin
New Year Resolutions for 5:2ers ?

Frenziers:
Stop having intimate dinners for four....
Unless there are three other people.

After your healthier high fibre, veggy, beany meals:
Don't blame the dog, when you fart. Or at least, for credibility, make sure there is an actual live dog in the house.

Always good advice:
Don't take a laxative and a sleeping pill on the same night.

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