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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

The 5:2 thread number 34 - New Year (title courtesy of B&W) Come and join us and take CONTROL! Of your weight, and of your lives.

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BigChocFrenzyAteYourReindeer · 30/12/2013 01:10

The continuing thread for those of us following the 5:2 fast or other forms of fasting such as 4:3, ADF, or daily 16:8.
The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012 and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat normally - or approximately your Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE - see explanation below). 4:3 is the same except you fast on 3 days in the week. Alternate-day fasting (ADF) is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. 16:8 is another form where you stick to only eating in an 8 hour window each day, therefore fasting for 16 hours each day.
By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.
You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.
WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.
MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website or app many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.
TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.
NFD = Non fast day
NSV = Non scale victory
Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his book on the subject. Please go check it out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!
Lurkers and new starters: please just jump in and post - you'll find a lot of support here and we’re a friendly bunch.
Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:
All our previous threads can be found by browsing through the fasting section of the site.
Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the tips and links that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!
eatriskier’s thread has some lovely inspiring stories which are worth checking out if you want some motivation to get started or keep going through a plateau. Please add your own too.
frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!
If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.
Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon - link to that programme here.
A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.
This link nicely demonstrates that there are many body ‘right’ body shapes and types, because what we are actually aiming for is low body fat for fitness and health.
A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting. (I highly recommend this for an overview)
A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")
Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI. (Though anecdotal evidence from these long-running threads may suggest otherwise…)
A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful.
A HUGE THANK YOU to Greeneggsandnicht for putting together all this info and resources into one concise OP text, much appreciated by so many 5:2ers!
Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this way of life!

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BsshBossh · 31/12/2013 10:25

Southeast enjoy your foodie day :) Marylebone is wonderful for food isn't it.

Butteredsidedown · 31/12/2013 10:26

Hello

I've got the book, the diet book, I've watched the horizon programme, and I've placed my sainsburys delivery order. Sign me up I'm in for the long haul!

I'd love to get 28lbs down but I'm in it for the feeling better kick, rather than quick weight loss, though that would be great too! I want to feel clean again.

I did a couple of fast days pre Christmas and I struggled, but it did feel good. Now I want to go into it with a lot of back up info to see me through.

If anyone wants to add me on mfp my username is the same as here...Possibly should change my username to something not involving butter?!

BsshBossh · 31/12/2013 10:29

Buttered welcome. I think butter in your username is perfect for this WOE as we can enjoy any full fat, wholesome foods we want - nothing is off limits on 5:2!

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage · 31/12/2013 10:40

Welcome all newbies!

I haven't fasted for over a week. 4lbs on. DH ill. DD ill. DS2 ill. I'm ill. Cat brought in a mouse. Made apricot scones and mince pies. Had nothing but a Lemsip all day. Asthma bad again. Seriously fed up. DH back to work on Thursday. All this illness because a thoughtless person went into work ill.

Had hoped to get out today. Have barely the energy to move off the sofa.

Fridge full of lovely food, especially cheese and nothing appeals. How I am still putting on weight I don't know.

BetsyBell · 31/12/2013 11:01

After a massive fd fail deferment yesterday, involving far more wine than was really necessary I've now decided to use my unused jar of mincemeat as a chelsea bun filler. I also turned a half pot of unused double cream into butter, because, why not Grin

I will not be joining those reporting delightful Christmas losses!

However, bigchoc's amazing exercise thread has made me feel utterly shamed about the lack of exercise in my life for a few months, so January will be full of exercise (taekwondo and Jillian) and distinctly lacking in delicious, buttery baked goods. Well, maybe one day a week...

BetsyBell · 31/12/2013 11:04

skippy I see I entirely misread your post yesterday nothing to do with the aforementioned quantities of wine, good job Tip was on hand to offer sensible sober tips Grin

toffee ugh, it's really dragging out in your house isn't it? So sorry you've spent the entire holiday feeling awful :(

butter - remember that good feeling - it'll get you through the harder fasts (though they do get easier, mostly!)

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage · 31/12/2013 11:38

It really is BetsyBell and tbh I feel like crying. I am rarely ill and certainly nothing more than a cough or cold usually that don't count. Now all this Sad.

DinoSnores · 31/12/2013 12:07

Hope that you all feel better soon, toffee.

I've been enjoying Fitness Blender workouts on Youtube. I get bored very easily if I know what's coming next and find it difficult to keep motivated, and there are hundreds of them so I've been doing a different one each day. Haven't tried any of the 1000 kcal workouts yet though or plan to ever

It is a fast day here, and then we are off to a party this evening so food there will be my 500 kcal or thereabouts. Finding it a bit harder to fast today. We had a very disturbed night with my DD so I'm feeling shattered and hungry!

Welcome, buttered. I don't have a huge amount of weight I want to lose but I am definitely feeling better and making better choices, so it is good that you can see all the benefits before you, not just the weight loss.

Better carry on with my big list of jobs for today. See you next year!

BigChocFrenzyAteYourReindeer · 31/12/2013 12:29

Are YOU getting any ? ^^
Xmas Grin
-Has 5:2 motivated you to exercise more / differently ?
-Have you found a really enjoyable new workout ^

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Not2bObvious · 31/12/2013 12:46

Happy New Year's Eve all! Just checking in and wondering whether in allowed some grace before official post holiday WI? Surely a fast day or two under the very tight belt? I did a sneaky wi this morning but only for the purposes of putting my head in the game, the took myself out for a 5 mile walk, you do the mathWink
Toffee still standing by my theory of bloating/fluid, obv not undigested food if you haven't eaten. You haven't gained 4 pound, no way not having it. If someone, theoretically gained in that region but drank/ate rings about themselves for a week then yes I'd accept that (obv not really as in denial) but you couldn't have. House of sickness here too, a wk away and littlest dd and dh taking turns to be sick. So I feel your pain.
Welcome to all the new folk, hope everyone have a lovely evening. On a 16:8 in advance of dinner out (if the patients can make it!)

BigChocFrenzyAteYourReindeer · 31/12/2013 13:22

Toffee I rarely get colds, but when I do, I always put on weight too and my tum bloats a bit.
I think it is a mixture of:
a) much less physical activity - no training or chores
b) fluid etc from inflammation - all that snot & phlegm is stored somewhere.
Just try to eat healthily, if possible cutting out any treats of cake, bix etc. that might increase bloating.

When you are well and active again, the weight should go soon.
Hang in there Flowers

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Emmabryant123 · 31/12/2013 13:32

Back on it Thursday made my meals Allready.
Chicken noodle soup for lunch (tin) 126 calories . Going to take it in my flask.
Dinner- huge salad with a bit of the spag Bol family is having (but not the spaghetti just the mince)
Will be so much easier as I'm at work!

somewherebecomingrain · 31/12/2013 13:42

Marking place. Got a food processor for Xmas so those veg soups should be so much easier.

Happy new year all the good folk on here x

lucyintheskywithdinos · 31/12/2013 13:45

Hello! I fell off the threads (but not 5:2!) for about a month. I'm still plateaued around 10.7 (which is a Christmas scale victory!).

Revised target for 2014 - under 9.7 by my 30th birthday which is March 24th. Totally do-able. I'm aiming for really bloody healthy eating as well as 5:2 now, eating very little grains suits my body, so I'm doing that. I'm not low carbing (mmmm...potatoes!) but grain seems to make me feel sluggish so I'm not going to eat them as a normal part of my diet.

waves to new people 5:2 is awesome, I have lost 45lb since June. It has been expensive though. I can't stop buying beautiful new vintage clothes Grin I was too fat to do more than look at them before! It has sorted out my comfort eating too.

postmanpatscat · 31/12/2013 13:45

Bigchoc love your resolutions!

Welcome all newcomers, buttered I have sent you a friend request on MFP (I'm snailrunner on there).

Get well soon toffee

I just checked my historical weights on MFP...on Jan 4th I was 10.6kg heavier than I was this morning and I got heavier before I started 5:2 in Feb half term! I'm still comfortably within my maintainenance zone right now so that will do for me. Still two boxes of chocs left in the fridge though!

I'm sort of doing 16:8 today but it's being driven by emotional upset rather than fasting. Eldest DC (16) is in meltdown and taking us all over the edge with him Sad

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage · 31/12/2013 13:49

I just went out!! First time out in days and we had a walk. We needed to get out. It was nice but I am tired now. I have been eating a bit but not as much as usual though I have had some chocolate. I really don't want to go to the doctor as I can't see they can do anything even with me having asthma. I know I am bunged up as I struggle to hear properly at times and definitely don't have my full voice.

I feel so sorry for dh too.

ELR · 31/12/2013 14:13

lucy we are scale and almost birthday twins!! I am 10.7 and want to be 9.7 by my birthday which is 23rd march but sadly I will be 37 not 30!! We can do this!!
Chin up toffee it's a new year tomorrow, I'm sending you my best wishes and good vibes and really hope you feel better xxxxx

TalkinPeace · 31/12/2013 15:45

Bigchoc
Your resolutions are as mental as you are. LOVE IT

Toffee ( and everybody else who has been lurgied over Christmas )
I have pelarrgoniums in flower by my back door here in Hampshire.. On New Years Eve.
Why is that relevant?
Because the weather has been mild and wet for the last month
so there has been no cold weather to kiil off the bugs and nasties floating around and passing from person to person.
Also the foul weather has kept everybody indoors sneezing on each other.

however
the forecast for Thursday is good, all over the UK
so plan what you are going to do that involves being out in the fresh air and vitamin D giving rays - even a gentle amble and letting kids throw a frisbee for a couple of hours
will do all of us a world of good.

BigChocFrenzyAteYourReindeer · 31/12/2013 16:15

Toffee Explain tactfully to your cat that you aren't hungry at the moment.
He/she/it is obviously trying to tempt your appetite, bringing in these yummy mice so often.
Xmas Grin

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ToffeeOwnsTheSausage · 31/12/2013 16:28

DH might go to work on Thursday so I will be on my own for the first time with the kids for ages. I will get us out for at least a walk though.

We have told the cats not to bring any more presents but they don't listen. DS2 is very good at spotting them and shutting the door quickly after I run off, pathetically Grin.

TalkinPeace · 31/12/2013 16:55

For all those feeling a bit crap ...
this is an excellent summary of why these threads are great for helping each other through
blazenfluff.com/the-power-of-empathy-animated-short-explains-the-difference-between-empathy-and-sympathy/

FunnyFestiveTableRunner · 31/12/2013 17:30

Lucy your post was really inspiring thanks Smile

Any tips for post bug eating? I am avoiding lactose. Poor stomach is very acidic. Mostly surviving on white carbs which we had to buy specially.

Mum2Fergus · 31/12/2013 18:34

FD2 over with, gone slightly over 500 (524) but off to bed soon with stinky head cold. Happy 2014 when it comes...see you in the other side!xx

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage · 31/12/2013 18:51

Hope you feel better soon, Mum2Fergus.

Did I dream it or is there a 5:2 recipe thread where we post ideas for FD meals separately to this one?

BiscuitsAreMyDownfall · 31/12/2013 19:16

Just checking in. NFD for me today which has turned into a 16:8. We did get some drink in, but neither me nor DH can be bothered and figure why should we. We've never been fans of NYE anyway even in our younger, going out drinking phase. It just feels like any other Tuesday I only would be having a couple of drinks because I feel like I have to, they would just be wasted calories.

Tomorrow I am going to measure myself to see where I start 2014. I will report back. I will also make a note on my profile so I can find it again in a month's time, I will only lose it if I write it down. I'm looking forward to next year and this WOL.

Hope you feel better soon Mum and Toffee and anyone else who is under the weather.

Tomorrow is another 16:8 and Parkrun followed by FD on Thursday.

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