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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

The 5:2 thread number 33 - Counting down to Christmas (and NOT thinking about the impending chocapocolaypse. Yet)

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BetsyJingleBells · 16/12/2013 08:21

The continuing thread for those of us following the 5:2 fast or other forms of fasting such as 4:3, ADF, or daily 16:8.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012 and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat normally - or approximately your Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE - see explanation below). 4:3 is the same except you fast on 3 days in the week. Alternate-day fasting (ADF) is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. 16:8 is another form where you stick to only eating in an 8 hour window each day, therefore fasting for 16 hours each day.

By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website or app many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

NFD = Non fast day

NSV = Non scale victory

Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his book on the subject. Please go check it out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

Lurkers and new starters: please just jump in and post - you'll find a lot of support here and we’re a friendly bunch.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

All our previous threads can be found by browsing through the fasting section of the site.

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the tips and links that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

eatriskier’s thread has some lovely inspiring stories which are worth checking out if you want some motivation to get started or keep going through a plateau. Please add your own too.

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

There's a link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

This link nicely demonstrates that there are many body ‘right’ body shapes and types, because what we are actually aiming for is low body fat for fitness and health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting. (I highly recommend this for an overview)

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful.

A HUGE THANK YOU to Greeneggsandnicht for putting together all this info and resources into one concise OP text, much appreciated by so many 5:2ers!

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

OP posts:
ToffeeOwnsTheSausage · 19/12/2013 10:15

sorry all Blush

I feel so wound up. I am upset by many posters on various threads at the moment and frustrated I am not in a position to help. ridiculous that I am letting strangers problems get to me. plus I have been to the police this week and have all that to worry about plus af has arrived and I am just Confused in my head.

sorry again

BiscuitsAreMyDownfall · 19/12/2013 10:16

Not2b Mrs F posted last night at 20:40:55 which Toffee was referring too.

BiscuitsAreMyDownfall · 19/12/2013 10:18

Hope you are ok Toffee or will be in the end. AF is visiting me too, kind of. She doesn't know whether she's coming or going with me Sad

MrsFlorrick · 19/12/2013 10:20

Toffee. My friend!!!Thanks And Brew. Not harsh at all!! The words I've been thinking about mr F couldn't be posted here Grin. Even MN wouldn't stand for that kind of swearing. Grin

MrsFlorrick · 19/12/2013 10:23

Bigchoc. GrinGrinMelted cheese. Yum. It's a firm favourite. I don't know what I love more choc or cheese Wink

I'm glad you were ok with the kale chips phew.

MrsFlorrick · 19/12/2013 10:24

Turkey. I luffs you too. GrinGrin

postmanpatsreindeer · 19/12/2013 10:25

bssh I've never been a binger/frenzier, just a case of poor food choices and larger than needed quantities in the past. I think 5:2 has not only reset my appetite, but also my metabolism, perhaps in conjunction with the exercise. I weigh the same today as I did at the weekend, so if I want to nibble on the biscuits, chocs etc in the staff room, I do. However, yesterday I didn't bring lunch in to work because I knew I wouldn't go hungry Blush. My meals have definitely got smaller.

toffee sending Thanks and hugs. You're clearly having a tough time. Perhaps give yourself a break from reading about others' problems?

MrsFlorrick · 19/12/2013 10:29

Not2be. Yes there was an angry rambling post from me night before last because DH had been living it up all day at Claridges (it may have been Savoy, I refused to listen to him Angry).

And I had run around like a bluearsed fly all day and finally sitting down at 11 to watch my program in bed and he turns up drunk and gets the arse because I don't want to listen to his drunken mumbling.

That's what Toffee was on about. Grin And she is dead right too.

TheRaniOfYawn · 19/12/2013 10:31

I was a binge-eater before I started this WOE. I haven't binged yet. Yesterday I gave the children dinner at their normal time, but was planning on having a humungous salad later on with DP. I ended up nibbling on the food I was cooking for the children and the salad I was preparing for myself (and I had a glass of wine, too) and when I was putting the children to bed I realised that I was already full to the point where eating any more would be unpleasant.

BUT, thanks to all the fasting, I realised that I was already full and that it was OK to skip a meal if I wasn't hungry, so DP had his pizza and I had a big glass of minty water and we watched a dvd together happily.

The various componants of my big salad are in the fridge waiting for tomorrow when I won't be fasting.

And I don't actually count calories, but I'm fairly confident that although my day was a bit of a wipe-out nutritionally, I wasn't horrifically over my day's calories.

So all in all, I'm pretty pleased with how things went yesterday. Next week, I'll plan to have something sensible to eat at the point where I was nibbling yesterday.

MrsFlorrick · 19/12/2013 10:31

And Toffee don't go. Please stay and talk to me. I'd really miss you! Sad

Hugs to you.

MrsFlorrick · 19/12/2013 10:46

Rani. Wensleydale eh. Nice. I'm so glad I wasn't the only one who polished off an entire cheese.

Big choc. 3500 cals. Wow. How do you not gain weight? Or is this the daily mega workouts you do?

TurkeyAtYuleHoHo · 19/12/2013 11:02

Toffee - Calm down woman! Patronising?? No! - I do have a womb too and am not some bloke who likes to blame it for everything! and am happy to thump those blokes who do

I was Lol-ing at the idea of you being "harsh" as you are usually anything but! though starting to think differently wink wink joke!

You are our sweet Toffee!

The totm comment was yes directed at blueness, but tbh it was directed at your general mood.

I remember from previous months both you and MrsF strike a chord with me around the same time of the month, which from memory was totm related. I was musing at the fact that we have synchronised mood swings!

When I say mood swings, I mean any mood - sad, angry, emotional, food bingeing, confused.

It is an undeniable fact of being a menstruating woman, that these things can occur with our cycles.

I may of course have got it totally wrong regarding being near your totm, but being someone who is very aware of my moods as part of my depression watch - I know when it is down to my cyclical hormones. I make sure I do, so that I don't start getting depressed about possibly being depressed again!! Lol!

Sorry if it upset you, but I wasn't/am not being dismissive of your feelings. Lost in translation obviously.Thanks

I know I do a joke around a lot. It is just my way. It's laugh or cry for me and I won't apologise for it not being the crying one. I have also a tendency to be quite matter of fact about things/bluntly honest sometimes. That's just my way, and we're all different after all. But I would hope it is also clear that I am not an insensitive, uncaring individual either.

Unfortunately, the internet hasn't yet provided option to play our tone of voice or facial expressions which obvs would help as in RL.

Bssh - mine is not 5:2 related. It is being surrounded by Christmas fare. I am not used to having all this crap in the house! And as predicted my hormones are playing havoc with my cravings, making it a lethal combination!
I think if anything 5:2 is making me more aware of what I've been eating so I am registering being bad a lot earlier on, because it is so not a part of my lifestyle anymore.
This is a typical that totm struggle. But Christmas'd right up! Xmas Grin

TurkeyAtYuleHoHo · 19/12/2013 11:12

and just to clarify.... I know you have a lot on your plate this week that is upsetting you. But it doesn't mean that you can't also be affected by hormones too, which is what I'm on about.

(all of the above and previous post said in caring understanding tone of voice)

TurkeyAtYuleHoHo · 19/12/2013 11:26

I am either having earlier and earlier periods each month, OR, I am observing a pmt double dip!

Building up to period - I am struggling 9 days away with typical pmt. Will it go and then reappear before d day? Will I struggle for the whole of the next 9 days? Will my period arrive in next couple of days instead? Does anyone actually give a shit?
Xmas Grin Look out for the next thrilling installment!

At end of period - within a couple of days I hit a really low patch, this is when I crumple.

The build up is when I'm emotionally unstable and want to stuff face!

Just luuuuurrrrrrvvve being a gal!

Bssh another observation I've made is that this past week I have indulged in the odd Christmas tipple. Not masses at a time, couple of drinks here and there. Am starting think this is a) related to the bloat more than the food is - which means my tolerance going down even lower thanks a bloody bunch! b) It is what is maybe also responsible for my food cravings the following day??

Either way I'm stuffed! Looking on bright side, at least I'll hit January at a good totm to get back on the horse!

BsshBossh · 19/12/2013 11:30

I've never been a binger/frenzier either postman. I got to 210 lbs because I love food, ate alot of it frequently, but always in a controlled manner. But 5:2 has reset my appetite in a way I could never have imagined. It's allowed me to recognise true hunger and physical satisfaction in a way that, for example, Paul McKenna or intuitive eating (which I tried for a few months back in the day) never did. Today when I say "uh-oh, I overdid it on the mince pies" I actually overdid it by one or two extra - certainly not a whole packet (I simply couldn't manage that). But when I was losing weight last year, pre-5:2 I could definitely polish off a packet of mince pies if I chose to. This is something about 5:2 that I find amazing and I wondered if others here had experienced it because I have been reading lots about frenzying etc recently - hence my question.

BsshBossh · 19/12/2013 11:32

I wonder when we talk about frenzying here, if we really sat down and totted up the calories we'd see we didn't overdo it as much as we thought... That's certainly the case for me. It feels like a frenzy but it really isn't...

Okay, rambling here Blush.

FD going well Grin.

ChristmasPudding6 · 19/12/2013 11:37

I seemed to have missed all the drama after I logged off last night. Glad u r all BFFs again. The trouble with the typed word is that the emotion can so easily be misread. And x posts don't help.

Chin up toffee. We r here to support u too.

Can anyone see my pics or have I uploaded them wrong?

MrsFlorrick · 19/12/2013 11:40

Bssh. My frenzying isn't what it once was Grin thankfully!!

Similar to you. I could once polish off several whole packets of shortbread/chocolate biscuit/any old biscuit or several large choc bars. That's no longer the case.

If I "frenzy" on biscuits it's perhaps half a small packet of shortbread rather than two whole large packets Shock

The eating of the entire cheese yesterday isn't something I've done often. Def TOMT related as it was like a strange craving. And I essentially had the cheese instead of dinner. Clearly not healthy eating as such but 800 cals worth of cheese or 800 cals worth of dinner? Sometimes you just have to.

Bssh. I didn't really realise that I used to frenzy on things until I started 5:2. I certainly do now.

I also joke about frenzies on here a lot. Partly because they are not like the used to be and partly because I enjoy having something nice and this woe allows that. Obv in moderation etc.

BiscuitsAreMyDownfall · 19/12/2013 11:41

Christmas No you need to make your profile public.

BiscuitsAreMyDownfall · 19/12/2013 12:01

Woohooo just had an email to say my book has been posted. I only bought it last night. I know I probably wont get it before Christmas, but I should get it before New Year.

ChristmasPudding6 · 19/12/2013 12:07

Hmm my pictures are now live.

Well done on buying the book biscuits. I borrowed it from the library. It's really worth a read. And good luck with DH.

Re frenzies. I think mine are gradually shrinking although yesterday was a bit OTT. Doesn't help when you have a large hot chocolate and a packet of giant buttons for breakfast (around 10am). Oooops. Went downhill from there, but probably less than 3000cals, and I don't do that everyday. Just sometimes I want to know that I still can if I want to, and this makes it easier to fast knowing that I have freedom on other days.

This weekend I'm going to focus on more wholesome foods before any more Christmas frenzies begin. I aim to fast today (so far so good) with Paella for dinner, then fast again on Monday (36 LOF) before enjoying my special Christmas biscuit selection on Christmas eve.

TalkinPeace · 19/12/2013 12:08

half arsed fast going on today.
DH and I both doing caffeine only today but its the end of term so the kids want to go out for supper - and who are we to refuse Xmas Grin

TurkeyAtYuleHoHo · 19/12/2013 12:16

Yes that is what I was trying to say but waffled it out! My pigging out radar is going off all the time because I am not used to living like this anymore.

But what is a face stuffing session now is much smaller than pre 5:2 though - largely because I can't physically fit more in and I am obviously observing the I am full feeling on some level and don't need more.

Just feels like a hideous amount compared to my nfd during 5:2 when I have actually not been interested in these things, rather than a case of denying myself.

I'm sure all totted up it really wouldn't be as bad as I think. Just feels horrendous!

BiscuitsAreMyDownfall · 19/12/2013 12:28

Wow Christmas Your pic in the red dress is lovely. Infact you dont look overweight in any photo's. Are they all taken in close proximity or has some time lapsed between them?

TurkeyAtYuleHoHo · 19/12/2013 12:28

Non 5:2 related rant!.....

Am having a right cocking morning on the internet! Xmas Angry

Am doing various admin duties for household, and its all going tits up, all the time!!!!!!!

Am trying to hold onto Christmas spirit and stay zen but right now I could head butt the wall!

Going turkey shopping later too in a no doubt failed attempt to avoid the masses at weekend.

Me + trolley + rage = Oh joy!

...and breathe....

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