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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

The 5:2 thread number 31 - Getting healthier one day at a time.

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BetsyBell · 19/11/2013 10:36

The continuing thread for those of us following the 5:2 fast or other forms of fasting such as 4:3, ADF, or daily 16:8.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012 and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat normally - or approximately your Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE - see explanation below). 4:3 is the same except you fast on 3 days in the week. Alternate-day fasting (ADF) is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. 16:8 is another form where you stick to only eating in an 8 hour window each day, therefore fasting for 16 hours each day.

By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website or app many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

NFD = Non fast day

NSV = Non scale victory

Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his book on the subject. Please go check it out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

Lurkers and new starters: please just jump in and post - you'll find a lot of support here and we’re a friendly bunch.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

All our previous threads can be found by browsing through the fasting section of the site.

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the tips and links that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

eatriskier’s thread has some lovely inspiring stories which are worth checking out if you want some motivation to get started or keep going through a plateau. Please add your own too.

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

There's a link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

This link nicely demonstrates that there are many body ‘right’ body shapes and types, because what we are actually aiming for is low body fat for fitness and health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting. (I highly recommend this for an overview)

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful.

A HUGE THANK YOU to Greeneggsandnicht for putting together all this info and resources into one concise OP text, much appreciated by so many 5:2ers!

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

OP posts:
eatriskier · 29/11/2013 21:16

Oh Sad - I've only lost about 586 sausages...

toffeesponge · 29/11/2013 21:16

They did make me feel quite ill.

BigChocFrenzy · 29/11/2013 21:24

Just caught up the day's thread news.
Goodness, after all these threads, we are all still gabby full of news
I wonder if we are MN's longest thread, as measured in sheer verbiage.
Hmm
Cuckoo ....
I see you've been losing again as soon as I took my eye off your feathers. And probably more to come as totm tots up its sums.
^^
Flowers
Are you going to calculate your total weight loss to date properly now, in sausages ?
Hmm

TheRealToffeesSausage · 29/11/2013 21:42

Just checking in.

Am on the sauce tonight. (Ketchup obvs! Wink)

Gone out with a lovely pair of bangers.

We are going to get well mashed innit!

Happy Friday you sexy people X

and remember.......

........Keeeeeeep Fasting!............. Grin

BigChocFrenzy · 29/11/2013 21:46

Well done Eat for losing 586 sausages ! That's still a humonguous number, even if not quite at Bssh's score.
Smile
The kitchen at BigChoc Chocolate Factory is now closed and I'm busy with the laundry, so won't be further tempted today.
FD today was 500 on the nose.
I had the nibbles this evening, so had a tangerine, pickled onions, small helping of rice pud. An interesting combination.
Smile
Betsy All vaccines lose some degree of effectiveness over time, many within a few years.
A reminder to all to get boosters where appropriate, e.g. tetanus.

I just read on BMJ site that the BCG vaccine protects fully for up to 60 years. Up to generally means the absolute max, so less for some. I think I had mine 35-40 yrs ago.
However, I also have faith in an immune system created from decades of exercise, chocolate and dominatrical practice.
So, I'm honestly not worried, but I'll have to orepare soothing words for more nervous colleagues on Monday.

MrsFlorrick · 29/11/2013 21:52

617 sausages lost so far (boak).

Well done on all the losses and NSV! Yes you Toffeesausage!! We're all proud!! Grin

Well I have today had my first go at a liquid fast. Nothing since dinner with DC last night at 5pm. Then no food and no calories other than milk in tea and coffee today.

As its my first (virgin Grin), I wasn't intending to go until tomorrow. I had dinner with DH at 8:30pm tonight so that's a good 27hr liquid fast. A very good attempt. Particularly as I had DS misbehaving and whining all day and DD wailed from I picked her up at school until bedtime (waaaay overtired!). And it's been a long week.

So yes quite impressed. It will be a while before I am ready to take a liquid fast over night. But I can def move my last meal forward. ie have an earlier dinner at 4pm and take it up towards 29 hours.

I wanted to do this as I usually have a Friday Frenzy (Bigchoc stylee Wink) and end up at 3000 cals on a Friday.

Today so far is at 550 but I am now having some wine. I should still be below 900 when I am done so a v good mini fast with a liquid fast and I still got my Friday blowout without over eating GrinGrin

I may finally shift the last half stone this way.

toffeesponge · 29/11/2013 22:01

Love being called toffeesausage Grin.

BsshBossh · 29/11/2013 22:03

I really fancy eating sausages now. Hmmm, perhaps some kind of sausages with puy lentils dish next week. Will menu plan this weekend.

toffeesponge · 29/11/2013 22:03
BetsyBell · 29/11/2013 22:09

So, how much weight are we attributing to a standardised 5:2 MN approved sausage exactly? (Did I miss that post?)

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BetsyBell · 29/11/2013 22:10

Toffeesausage = English version of a Corndog?

OP posts:
BsshBossh · 29/11/2013 22:13

God I love corndogs.

BetsyBell · 29/11/2013 22:17

Your DH is well trained bssh. Mine works opposite a wonderful cake shop and has failed for 5 years to bring home anything for his long suffering other half - but quite happy to tell me what delights he's indulged in Shock. Grounds for divorce?

However - loving corndogs? BLEUGH. Now I simply can't agree with you on that one Grin

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BetsyBell · 29/11/2013 22:21

If we're going for pack of 8 = 1lb then I've lost 416 sausages. Only 32 sausages to goal!

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Twinmama32 · 29/11/2013 22:22

Ok I'm out of the NNN & NND. Literally the moment I wrote it down I started bingeing, just awful, I behaved as I haven't in 9.5months, I think because it feels too much like restriction and dieting, however temporary I'm clearly better with just 2 days fasting as I naturally cut down anyway.
I'm shocked at my behaviour actually, it's like a food monster just took over. I feel rubbish now, need to get back on it.

I've just stopped watching fat sick and nearly dead and I feel inspired to try a 7/10 day juicing fast. Has anyone else tried it? Any tips?

Talkinpeace · 29/11/2013 22:39

according to the best butcher ever
6 to the lb
www.uptonsbutchers.com/default.asp

BsshBossh · 29/11/2013 22:49

Betsy I lived in the US Midwest for a year once, lots of driving around and eating on the road, and grew to love them Grin.

CuckooAtchooUhOh · 29/11/2013 23:18

So...... (ignoring Tips last post which lowers my numbers!)

...... I have lost a grand total of ..104 sausages!

... only 344 to go Hmm

So my effort is more your Christmas dinner portion of pigs in blankets than the full scale leaning tower of sausage generously brought to us by Betsy! (Queasy face)

Oh well!

Had 3 for dinner the other night. So to think I need to not have that dinner another 114 times! When you put it like that! Easy!

(soundtrack.... Ain't No Mountain (of sausage) High Enough)

MrsFlorrick · 29/11/2013 23:23

Bigchocfrenzy. Loving the immune system bit!

I suspect you're ok as you've had the BCG. Even if it was a long time ago. Besides you need direct contact with droplet expelled from lungs (via coughs) or saliva to be come infected and you also have to inhale them into your lungs. It's not transferred by touch or eating something which has touched it or even licking your hands with some on it. Yuk. Iykwim..

somewherebecomingrain · 29/11/2013 23:40

Ok I finally get therealtoffeesausage

Thought it was toffeesponge initially and was thinking Crikey she's in a different mood - almost like a different person.

BigChocFrenzy · 30/11/2013 00:37

I didn't associate or work with the sick colleague, so didn't have sufficient proximity to be worried about catching TB.
He didn't go to my gym, so I haven't punched him or wrapped my legs around his - either gets frowned on at work.
Hmm
A few years ago, we all had to take the "sexual harassment" E-seminars. I said afterwards that I already knew how to harass, but apparently, the seminar was supposed to teach us not to do so.
Shock
Well, the title and the contents should have made that clearer.
Confused
I've noticed that several blokes who work with or under me seem to wimp out, start twitching, or hide in the loo. I suspect Tip has similar experience.

BigChocFrenzy · 30/11/2013 00:54

Well done, MrsF on your first LOF. You'll be surprised how it is easier sometimes than having FD meals. I think it is because the insulin level is not significantly raised at any time.

I have noticed it is tougher in the winter weather, probably psychologically, because I cycle the short journeys to gym and work. With you driving in a warm car, you might not notice the change.

When I LOF, I stop eating around 4-6 pm the day before, then just take sub-100 total liquids throughout the next day.
I feel hungry at lunchtime, but not too badly or all the time.
If I do fasted evening training, this cuts off hunger pangs until the following day
Sometimes I break my fast at breakfast, sometimes at 12:00, for an LOF of 38-44 hrs.

I like to LOF once most weeks for health benefits, but I keep to near 500 cals on the other FDs. One should not overdo a good thing. So says the Frenzy specialist.
Wink

MrsFlorrick · 30/11/2013 02:17

Bigchocfrenzy. Thanks Thanks

Not sure that I'm ready to go the whole hog for a 36hrs LOF. It was the thought of a delicious meal tonight (and wine) which kept me going

That said I cooked dinner for DC, cooked dinner for DH and I and put DC to bed and my stomach had stopped objecting to the lack of food by that time.

Anyway. The important thing is tHt I have made the next step. It has also made a Friday into Mini Fast Friday rather than Frenzy Friday that it usually is Wink

toffeesponge · 30/11/2013 08:25

somewhere - not that clever to think to change my name!

I have done two FD this week. I am now wondering if there would be a benefit to doing a 16:8 as I am not bothered about breakfast, haven't eaten anything for around 10 hours already and would like to keep going since I have lost this week and been in "clean" mode with rejecting coke for water (though I had one later that evening Hmm).

I feel slim today but I was humongous before so it is all relative I suppose. I was classed as obese which was a shock and last time I checked I was still over weight. Not sure I dare look now.

Southeastdweller · 30/11/2013 08:59

Morning. Hectic week and I'm being crap by not being able to catch up with you all yet but well done to everyone who's lost this week.

No time for gym this week and some emotional overeating means I'm fasting today. Hopefully having a lovely breakfast somewhere in Central London tomorrow.

Enjoy your weekends Smile.