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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

The 5:2 thread number 31 - Getting healthier one day at a time.

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BetsyBell · 19/11/2013 10:36

The continuing thread for those of us following the 5:2 fast or other forms of fasting such as 4:3, ADF, or daily 16:8.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012 and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat normally - or approximately your Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE - see explanation below). 4:3 is the same except you fast on 3 days in the week. Alternate-day fasting (ADF) is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. 16:8 is another form where you stick to only eating in an 8 hour window each day, therefore fasting for 16 hours each day.

By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website or app many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

NFD = Non fast day

NSV = Non scale victory

Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his book on the subject. Please go check it out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

Lurkers and new starters: please just jump in and post - you'll find a lot of support here and we’re a friendly bunch.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

All our previous threads can be found by browsing through the fasting section of the site.

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the tips and links that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

eatriskier’s thread has some lovely inspiring stories which are worth checking out if you want some motivation to get started or keep going through a plateau. Please add your own too.

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

There's a link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

This link nicely demonstrates that there are many body ‘right’ body shapes and types, because what we are actually aiming for is low body fat for fitness and health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting. (I highly recommend this for an overview)

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful.

A HUGE THANK YOU to Greeneggsandnicht for putting together all this info and resources into one concise OP text, much appreciated by so many 5:2ers!

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

OP posts:
Breadandwine · 26/11/2013 21:19

How to turn a fast day into a feast day - and still come in around 600 cals:

Make chunky soup from onion, celery, cabbage, carrot and mushrooms (will leave these out next time - they were too firm, when all the other veg had gone soft and...well, unctuous!), tin chopped tomatoes + medium potato, (micro-waved) and leftover mushy peas* plus seasoning.

This totalled about 550 cals - and I ate half plus another serving spoonful - so, say 300 cals. That was supposed to be it, but the hunger monster was well and truly awake - and I decided to have some pud:

Alpro chocolate pudding (115) plus 2 ginger biscuits (90), broken up into the pot plus half a banana (45), sliced.

Total now around 550, leaving just enough room for a…….

square of Lindt's Chilli chocolate! Grin

I was full after the soup - now I'm (happily) stuffed!

*We had some Smedley's mushy peas left in the fridge - we'd bought some to try it the other day and neither of us was very keen. But used as a thickener in the soup, it was ideal!

BigChocFrenzy · 26/11/2013 21:19

Thanks MrsF Sounds delic. Sounds like most of the thread will be baking these !
Grin
I'll experiment as I have to substitute cream cheese and / or olive oil for butter (I am allergic to butter, marge and similar fats)

MrsFlorrick · 26/11/2013 21:21

Wriggle bum. Pickles. I love pickles. Not for a FD for me. I'd eat the entire jar in 5 mins.

Have you ever had Danish dill pickled cucumber?? It's the best! If I wasn't fat, I'd eat it with everything all the time. And in sandwiches with lashings of remoulade.

MrsFlorrick · 26/11/2013 21:25

Bigchocfrenzy. I see.

If you can't use butter then sunflower oil for this one. Olive oil would be ok in the dough but too much of a sharp taste for the filling.

You could use hazelnut oil for the filling. That would be extra Christmassy and yummy.

I'd still recommend sunflower oil for the dough. Even the lightest olive oil has quite a strong taste.

MrsFlorrick · 26/11/2013 21:28

Rubbish. You need to work up to 20mins slowly.

The hoop I got came with a manufacturers warning that said only use 3 mins a day for the first 7 days and then add a minute every day after that. Otherwise you'll be in pain. I was seriously bruised after hooping initially.

BigChocFrenzy · 26/11/2013 21:37

Thanks for advice, MrsF. I might even try coconut oil in the dough, with almond or hazelnut oil in the filling.

Ducky Champagne & cheeseburger ? You know how to enjoy life !

Cuckoo also has luxurious food & drink combinations. Must be an avian thing.
Grin
B&W That sounds like a delicious soup for FD. I like chunks of firm veg in soup. Do you use a stock as well ?
Being v lazy, I tend to add a load of frozen veg to a tinned broccoli or chicken soup, plus veg juice and mwave it all for a stew / thick chunky soup.

BigChocFrenzy · 26/11/2013 21:42

RubbishWhat about EarSlaps for your new handle ?

BigChocFrenzy · 26/11/2013 21:52

MrsF If you like pickles, I find these are low cal but satisfying (I never need much of the jar) if the nibbles strike on an FD:

  • Pickled onions
  • Gherkins
  • Olives stuffed with garlic cloves (for when DH has really p@ssed you off)
I always avoid anything pickled that has added sugar.
FoodieToo · 26/11/2013 21:57

Thanks for the explanation of mini fast!

Dosey · 26/11/2013 22:06

Hi there well I managed a 24 hour liquid only fast and did absolutely fine. I broke my fast with a bowl of chilli and tiger bread and I think it all came within 500 calories. I do find my concentration levels peak on fast days and I am so much more productive. I know tomorrow at work I will be thinking about the yummy pack up dp has made me. And trying so very hard hard not to eat it before 10.30am.

It's so much easier not to eat on fast days!

rubbishfamily333 · 26/11/2013 22:15

MrsF - wow I didn't know that they came with warnings Shock mine probably did and I just ignored it! Did you start with 3 mins per day and work up? How many minutes are you upto now? I feel bruised but I can't see any bruises, and I bruise easily too.

Well I think I need to heal before I do it again Wink

rubbishfamily333 · 26/11/2013 22:15

Bigchoc - no i don't think I will go for earslaps Grin

duckyfuzz · 26/11/2013 22:22

In my defence it was a family birthday and I have kept to TDEE despite cheeseburger!

I like the hula hoop activity on wii fit for toning - the action without the hoop, it's less dangerous!

rubbishfamily333 · 26/11/2013 22:46

Ducky - I don't have a wii and I do have a hoop Wink

BigChocFrenzy · 26/11/2013 23:19

Coo, I was under TDEE today for NFD:
Shock
My only meal was a 1700 cal lunch: a big main course with 5 veg, then rice pud, apple pie & custard. This satisfied my greed and fuelled me for 2 hrs CrossFit and Spin.
I had cocoa for breakfast, pre-gym protein shake for supper and wasn't hungry.

I'll try this plan tomorrow and Thursday, too.

BigChocFrenzy · 26/11/2013 23:23

This hoop business is dangerous ! I'm boxing tomorrow at the gym and expect no bruises.
Can someone explain why they prefer hooping to situps, plank etc ?
I do 20-min abs sessions, without bruising or tearing my bits.

HellesBellesThinksSometimes · 27/11/2013 07:01

Unlike MrsF my next fd won't be today (wednesday is horrendous at work so I don't want to fast!!) Friday is the only available fast-friendly day. must do better

rubbishfamily333 · 27/11/2013 07:58

Bigchoc - hula hopping is fun Grin and sit ups and planking are not so much fun.

BetsyBell · 27/11/2013 08:10

Long day at work today and am not inspired for any sort of packed lunch so have gone for a large post-fast brekkie instead - big omelette with ham, cabbage and cheese.

Might take a bit of fruit for later.

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postmanpatscat · 27/11/2013 08:10

Just checking in...sometimes I have time to read but not to post! I didn't fast last week and might do a FD tomorrow. DP away this weekend, which is my usual opportunity to do a LOF on Saturday.

Hula hooping sounds far too traumatic, I'll stick to running!

So much food talk...I am already dreaming of stollen bites and there's more than three weeks til Christmas!

AngieM2 · 27/11/2013 09:02

First ever FD fail yesterday. The food was fine but then I chinned 2 large Pinots after parents evening!(angry). Anyway, I'm contemplating not fasting now til January. My weight is plateuing at 10.5-10.6 (1 stone gone) but definitely want to drop half a stone in Jan and wondered if a break may serve as a better 'shock' to do this. In the meantime will do 16:8 every day and TDEE. What does everyone think? Would this work? PS. TOTM on its way and got the bloat so not feeling my best.

AngieM2 · 27/11/2013 09:04

That was supposed to be a little angry face up there but it didn't work. ..just about sums me up at the moment. Grrrr

BigChocFrenzy · 27/11/2013 09:38

Angie A break might be useful, to let your bod consolidate its loss and get used both to the smaller you and to IF. Then maybe in Jan it would return to fat loss. Also, sounds like you need a rest psychologically, to regain enthusiasm.

I had a break for several months after losing my 1st 10lb, just maintaining with 16:8 (way over theoretical TDEE as usual). After returning to 5:2, FDs are so easy, whereas before I struggled to go sub-900.
So, a 16:8 break allowed my bod time to adapt.

wrigglebum · 27/11/2013 09:42

I hula hoop but I haven't had any bruises from it at all! I did a good 25 minutes of hula hooping last night, then some Callanetics stomach exercises and some arm exercises with my weights. BigChoc- I also do planks, sit ups etc but I like hooping as I like to vary what I do to make the muscles work in different ways and stop me getting bored. Plus I can do it in front of the tv, or even whilst browsing MN.

Well if rubbishfamily doesn't want to be EarSlaps I think I might nick it, I fancy a change Grin.

EarSlaps · 27/11/2013 09:44

Does it suit me?

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