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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

The 5:2 thread number 31 - Getting healthier one day at a time.

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BetsyBell · 19/11/2013 10:36

The continuing thread for those of us following the 5:2 fast or other forms of fasting such as 4:3, ADF, or daily 16:8.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012 and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat normally - or approximately your Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE - see explanation below). 4:3 is the same except you fast on 3 days in the week. Alternate-day fasting (ADF) is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. 16:8 is another form where you stick to only eating in an 8 hour window each day, therefore fasting for 16 hours each day.

By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website or app many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

NFD = Non fast day

NSV = Non scale victory

Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his book on the subject. Please go check it out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

Lurkers and new starters: please just jump in and post - you'll find a lot of support here and we’re a friendly bunch.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

All our previous threads can be found by browsing through the fasting section of the site.

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the tips and links that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

eatriskier’s thread has some lovely inspiring stories which are worth checking out if you want some motivation to get started or keep going through a plateau. Please add your own too.

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

There's a link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

This link nicely demonstrates that there are many body ‘right’ body shapes and types, because what we are actually aiming for is low body fat for fitness and health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting. (I highly recommend this for an overview)

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful.

A HUGE THANK YOU to Greeneggsandnicht for putting together all this info and resources into one concise OP text, much appreciated by so many 5:2ers!

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

OP posts:
BigChocFrenzy · 23/11/2013 11:39

Run Do add some abs and lifting. Running is ok for cardio and leg muscles, but one needs to build the upper body too.

BigChocFrenzy · 23/11/2013 11:42

Rubbish I got the recipe book before starting. It does what it says on the tin.
Personally, I found there are so many ready meals available or easy self-prep meals below 300 cals that I never really used the damn book! Depends how much you like to cook and if you want more ideas.

BigChocFrenzy · 23/11/2013 11:49

Gyms: We're all different. I find running totally boring and didn't exercise regularly / intensively until I joined a gym and was spurred on by seeing others so fit.
I enjoy the social life, music, equipment at a gym.

Whatever works for you, but do exercise. Even overweight people who exercise are usually healthier than skinnies who don't.

Sophiste · 23/11/2013 12:24

Hello all. Have weighed in today slightly nervously. TOTM arrived with a vengeance in the early hours after 7 wks absence so I'm feeling bloated, and I've been a tortoise on the scales anyway.

But I am 2lb down on last week. Really pleased. Have got away with last night's Cake and Wine to round off a hard week.

Hope everyone's having a great weekend so far.

Runlikeagirl · 23/11/2013 13:28

Well done sophiste!

I do need to get some weight. Dh does running, cycling and gym.

That peanut butter porridge sounds delish- I'd never thought d adding that!

BigChocFrenzy · 23/11/2013 13:56

Well done, Sophiste, especially with totm.
The scales may move slowly, but they do eventually move.

BigChocFrenzy · 23/11/2013 14:07

Bssh You express it perfectly.
So, I did 5,000cals controlled and planned overeating yesterday. Sounds less greedy than I had a BC Frenzy
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somewherebecomingrain · 23/11/2013 14:27

Bigchoc you beat me again! A measly 4000!

HellesBellesThinksSometimes · 23/11/2013 14:50

Ah! bcf but this t-shirt is a doctor who/big bang theory crossover that uses soft kitty as a base for a rhyme about daleks. They are his two favourite things to watch on the telly-box but the parcel was not the t-shirt. It was an electric toothbrush so no doctor who t-shirt for tonight :(

somewherebecomingrain · 23/11/2013 15:15

rubbish I have the book and love it. It's all very delicious. It works as a low gi and low carb cool book too. I particularly like the Dahl, the broad bean frittata, the o Kelly salmon. It has opened up new avenues for me.

toffeesponge · 23/11/2013 16:34

Hello all

SO tired I can barely see. Made Christmas pudding and mince meat for the pies this morning. Done loads of ironing. Loaded dishwasher about three times. Made lunch. Now need to make dinner. So tired. And I'm late Hmm. And I forgot to weigh myself this morning but that is probably for he best.

Might have some chocolates tonight. My neighbour gave them to me on Tuesday and I haven't even opened them yet.

duckyfuzz · 23/11/2013 16:50

I have made nigella's brownies, they are v good! Have also made a healthy curry for supper, but will offset with poppadums and naan...

Have also been for a run and a walk with the dog so not all bad

Glad others are still on track and that deviant porridge is still flavour of the month!

somewherebecomingrain · 23/11/2013 17:45

A tale of wasted calories. Low carb cake, fine. Then crisps and buttered rice cakes. Hardly the stuff of foodie joy.

I'm also finally finding my appetite has shrunk. Not yesterday I suppose but I haven't really felt hungry AT ALL today except at midday when cake was going round a kids party.

This may be because a) I'm weaning dd and/or b) yesterday's frenzy was a low carb frenzy.

I could have eaten so much less today. Think I am on track for around 2400 ish cals, just over TDEE.

toffeesponge · 23/11/2013 17:48

Does anyone know how often you are supposed to change your TDEE as I am still on the same even though I am rubbish and don't count on MPF

toffeesponge · 23/11/2013 17:48

MFP

eatriskier · 23/11/2013 18:13

toffee they recommend you change it every 10lb loss.

toffeesponge · 23/11/2013 18:23

I need to redo it then and probably start properly calorie counting if I seriously want to lose this last stone. Thank you.

Runlikeagirl · 23/11/2013 18:27

I check with my current weight every couple of weeks.

4000 calories? Not sure what that would even looked like. I'm not that hungry today, took ds and dd to McDs with friends and didn't get any thing myself. Still going to have pizza with dh later, but still not as bad!

Dosey · 23/11/2013 18:44

Hi there ladies just checking in, I am so so full, I had a big bowl of porridge for breakfast then I took dds and dm out for lunch, I had a bowl of tomatoe soup with a roll, a hot chocolate with cream and marshmallows and some of dds left over bacon buttie and chips. Then had a three bird roast dinner for tea. There is not a bit of wonder I feel so full but at the same time I want to be proud of a no snacking day!!! Just had my meals even though they were meals fit for a king. I have so much wind it's unreal and the dog is getting all the blame

somewherebecomingrain · 23/11/2013 19:51

Hi runlike pleased you askedGrin 4000 cals was:

Breakfast: 200g Greek yoghurt full fat with almonds and blueberries (450 cals)

Lunch: Brie sandwich followed by st agur sandwich (1000 cals)

Tea: four slices of very buttery, nutty, low carb cake (2000 cals)

Dinner: small portion of toad in hole, tonnes of broccoli (550).

somewherebecomingrain · 23/11/2013 19:53

But the low carbing has finally made it feel wrong. Before, 4000 cals felt sooo right.

somewherebecomingrain · 23/11/2013 19:56

God i hope noone thinks I've got an ED!

I am very active and bf and think my TDEE is prob truthfully about 2800. Hence 4k once a week doesn't matter so much.

toffeesponge · 23/11/2013 20:05

I feel blue. Anyone want to slap some sense into me and the self pity out?

TheLeastAccomplishedBennetGirl · 23/11/2013 20:11

Wassup, toffee?

I don't do slapping but have a nifty kick about me :)

toffeesponge · 23/11/2013 20:16

I feel PMT-y but I am late. I am not doing too well with all the changes in the TOTM I am experiencing and had no clue things would change yet. I am only 41! I have been evicted from the lounge as the kids all just assumed they could watch Doctor Who in the lounge and it just makes me feel like I don't matter as usual

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