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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

The 5:2 thread number 31 - Getting healthier one day at a time.

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BetsyBell · 19/11/2013 10:36

The continuing thread for those of us following the 5:2 fast or other forms of fasting such as 4:3, ADF, or daily 16:8.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012 and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat normally - or approximately your Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE - see explanation below). 4:3 is the same except you fast on 3 days in the week. Alternate-day fasting (ADF) is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. 16:8 is another form where you stick to only eating in an 8 hour window each day, therefore fasting for 16 hours each day.

By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website or app many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

NFD = Non fast day

NSV = Non scale victory

Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his book on the subject. Please go check it out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

Lurkers and new starters: please just jump in and post - you'll find a lot of support here and we’re a friendly bunch.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

All our previous threads can be found by browsing through the fasting section of the site.

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the tips and links that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

eatriskier’s thread has some lovely inspiring stories which are worth checking out if you want some motivation to get started or keep going through a plateau. Please add your own too.

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

There's a link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

This link nicely demonstrates that there are many body ‘right’ body shapes and types, because what we are actually aiming for is low body fat for fitness and health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting. (I highly recommend this for an overview)

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful.

A HUGE THANK YOU to Greeneggsandnicht for putting together all this info and resources into one concise OP text, much appreciated by so many 5:2ers!

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

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BetsyBell · 22/11/2013 20:52

Towels on pillows mrsF, saves on a whole lot of laundry during child vom episodes.

Well Friday is the weekend right? I've had a whole load of red wine and just snarfed 2/3rds of a bar of Lindt Orange Intense that I've had in the cupboard for three weeks.

Just what I needed. It's been an exhausting and difficult few weeks for various reasons.

I'm also feeling very grateful at having wonderful supportive friends and family - many of whom are also doing 5:2 and the rest are just really nice and pleased for me at my weight loss etc. I can only think of one acquaintance who's been a bit snippy and defensive(Hmm) and I never liked her much anyway Grin

Happy Friday everyone!

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HellesBellesThinksSometimes · 22/11/2013 20:52

Hate coming home tired because I just stuff my face. Fish & chips and half a box of chocolates so I currently look: Envy

Need a Tardis to prevent myself doing this thus creating a paradox that would rip through space and time. Worth it though - hate feeling Envy

Or a Tardis to fast forward to tomorrow night Grin

Tardis Tardis Tardis Tardis Tardis Tardis Tardis

BsshBossh · 22/11/2013 20:55

MrsF we do towels on pillows and duvets (extra long ones tucked in) so that they can be whipped off quickly and replaced in middle of night with minimal disruption.

BsshBossh · 22/11/2013 21:01

Betsy Fridays are always the start of the weekend chez Bssh. I tend to treat myself to something yummy (and inevitably calorific) in a cafe for lunch (today tuna & cheese melt panini, slice of blueberry cake and a large choc chip cookie); then DH returns home from work with yummy chocolates (tonight Paul A. Young) or patisserie cakes/puds and sets about cooking something gorgeous and calorific (tonight's pasta dish featuring huge globs of Gorgonzola).

I love 5:2 - the perfect WOE for foodies Grin.

BetsyBell · 22/11/2013 21:03

AMEN to that Bssh Grin

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BetsyBell · 22/11/2013 21:05

Though I'm a little Envy at having a DH that brings home and cooks deliciousness bssh, ah well. He's awfully good at bringing home the bubbly though Grin

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postmanpatscat · 22/11/2013 21:08

Get well soon Mrs F's DD. My mother swears that gin kills all known germs, so that's worth a try (for you obviously, not DD)

Well done on your loss TIP

toffeesponge · 22/11/2013 21:14

I just want cheese on toast!!

Talkinpeace · 22/11/2013 21:19

tonight was fish and chips : queueing up at our wonderful chippy was rather odd as DH and I were the only ones with all of our own teeth and I was the only one with a BMI under 24.5

then again, proper deep fried chips really are GREAT every six weeks or so as they make your stomach REALLY clock calorie intake PDQ

and now I'm on the Breton Cider (of shit I should be on AIBU! )

BigChocFrenzy · 22/11/2013 23:50

The charity evening concentrated on wimpy Yoga and Zumba, whereas I like to lift heavy weights or punch something very hard. So, just a 25 min spinning shortie and then I dived into a huge load of choc minibars, ¾ packet of choc digestives (yum) and the damn cheesy wotsits.
The non-alcoholic punch was weird - did they really add lemonade to the shower drainoff ???
Hmm
Once home, to get rid of a strange after-taste required several rounds of melted cheese with chorizo on my sprouted date bread.
This led to choc cheesecake, then tiramasu ice cream, finally a bag of pistachios.
All this after a really huge lunch, so an enjoyable day, but astronomic cals.
Grin
Ok, that's the one weekly gorge I now allow myself. Regular FD tomorrow and NNN until next Fri.

BigChocFrenzy · 22/11/2013 23:57

Helles Read what I scoffed, then you can feel totally superior in comparison !
I agree, it is always when one is tired after a long hard week.
Yup, bedtime

MrsFlorrick · 23/11/2013 00:12

Bigchocfrenzy. GrinGrin Your workouts are epic as is your frenzying. Grin My over eating this evening (2200 so 400 over TDEE) is piddly in comparison.

So a bit of a frenzy here. I've had cheese. Yep. Lovely Vacherin and St Venier. And dessert wine. Persuaded DH to stay sober in case DC in particular DDs D&V develops into something serious during the night.

I've had a lovely muscatel. (Floralis de muscatel). Perfect with cheese.

I also had some pear crumble. Naice. I decided my DC are bloody lucky I can cook. Grin oh and DH too for that matter.
Growing up I was less lucky. The old meat boiled till white and dry potato and over cooked mushy veg. Blugh.

wrigglebum · 23/11/2013 06:57

Another one who over ate last night- yummy take away curry. I kept eating the delicious peshwari naan even though I was full. Totally worth it though. Got croissants for breakfast today- I love my treat breakfasts on the weekend.

Pear crumble sounds yummy MrsF. I remember you saying you were foreign and your description of the food of your youth, along with your height and amazing English, is making me guess Dutch/Flemish or Scandinavian/Nordic Smile. Northern Europeans (including Brits) certainly have a tradition of boiling the life out of food. They do also have some very yummy things though.

BigChoc, your frenzies are amazing. I used to have those as a teen. I remember eating an entire Sara Lee chocolate gateau in about 10 minutes followed by a couple of chocolate bars. I was skinny back then too!

Coveredinweetabix · 23/11/2013 08:05

I managed to channel my want for food last night into a want for creating food so had a baking frenzy and made flapjack, tea bread and a crumble. We do have guests this weekend so it won't just be me polishing it off! Am glad I managed to partly salvage my fast as (drum roll) I am 10st7. Yippee! I've been trying to get to this weight all year it seems but, until I started this WOE in Sept, couldn't get below 11st2. So, having only lost 4lbs in my first two months of this WOE, I have lost 5lbs in the past three weeks! I was amazed to work out this morning that I've lost 40lbs since I first decided something must be done about my weight back in Aug '12.
Shredded again this morning, having done it at 9pm last night too.
Good luck to those fasting today.
MrsF - hope the DC were OK over night. Even ignoring your DH, you've had a rough couple of weeks with c pox & now this. That wine/cheese combo sounds delicious and has given me an idea for tomorrow night (on a Sun, we all sit down together for a meal around 5pm and then DP and I have a grown up snack around 9pm)
BigChoc - how did you get into the exercise you do now? What did you start with?
TiP - your comment about the other people in the chippy made me smile as it sounds just like our chippy. Knowing that I have another couple of pounds to lose before being a healthy BMI and then knowing that I could lose a couple more stone after that and still be a healthy weight has made me realise just how much of the population is overweight.
Bssh - i hope you enjoyed the chocs. Paul Young are, I think, my favourites. I'm salivating just thinking about them!

Dosey · 23/11/2013 08:16

wrigglebum you have just brought back pleasant childhood memories of Sara Lee double chocolate gateaux. They were our Sunday tea time treat!

Well I haven't done too bad over the last couple of days though I went to see a friend last night, had wine and when I got home I raided the snack cupboard. I was a late night chocolate frenzy but I am not too worried. This week I have managed one fast day, a couple of 16:8 and so far 4 shred workouts. Today might be a struggle, I am treating dds to lunch in a cafe and then going to mums for a 3 bird roast lunch and probably a scrummy pudding.

I am really struggling with not snacking in between meals, I will keep trying though, it seems to be when I am at home on my own and in particular between lunch and picking dds up from school. Can anybody else relate to this?

Mrs F hope your dd is feeling better today

duckyfuzz · 23/11/2013 08:33

Morning all. Psyching myself up for a run...

Mrsf hope lurgies have passed now and it doesn't ruin you weekend. Love the cheese with moscatel idea, I had cheese with port as a late night snack last night.

Bcf you are a woman of extremes! I love how you go completely overboard at either end of the fast/binge spectrum.

Planning a baking morning today plus trying to convert my family to the glories of rice pudding... I may end up having to eat it all myself - that reminds me, there's been no talk of deviant porridge recently, have you all gone mainstream again?

HellesBellesThinksSometimes · 23/11/2013 09:08

deviant porridge Grin

It's doctor who day!!!! DS and I have a dinner and cinema date for this - v exciting. First stop though is a trip to the depivery office to collect his doctor who t-shirt which, despite coming all the way from the US, struggled to make it through the letterbox. Just need to by-pass the chocolate gallery, the cheese shop, the bread stall and the patisserie!

HellesBellesThinksSometimes · 23/11/2013 09:11

Dammit! Posted too soon.

Thanks bcf got to say, your melted cheese items sound fab! Yummy yummy cheese :)

Let us all be bigger on the inside Tardis

eatriskier · 23/11/2013 09:16

ducky all my porridge is deviant Wink
But this morning I had mince pies. It's healthy coz there's fruit in it right? Grin

BsshBossh · 23/11/2013 09:23

wriggle I call my weekend overeating controlled and planned overeating so it's perfectly legitimate Grin.

weetabix terrific! You're a great example of sticking with it and persevering through very slow losses. The chocs, by the way, were predictably sublime: a selection of fillings including salted caramel, peanut butter & jelly, and chipotle.

MrsF your Friday evening food made my mouth water.

I've said it before but I love how much we talk about the lovely food we eat on NFDs, generally without guilt. 5:2 is definitely the WOE for foodies.

rubbishfamily333 · 23/11/2013 10:08

Has anyone got the fast diet recipe book? Is it any good?

I'm buying books for dd for Xmas and saw it on there but it's £11 not sure if its worth that? Btw I'm adding to my order to save on postage but if i could get it much cheaper else where I won't bother Wink

Not2bObvious · 23/11/2013 10:17

Morning all, been very busy last few days and very munchy'ish - but v relieved to see you lot have also been eating rings around yourselves too! Sick child here too, so hovering with a basin and a cloth. Hoping it's only 1 and the other doesn't pick it up but signs so far are good.
Fancy steak and chips for dinner, avec pepper sauce et vin vin vin! Lazy day on the cards(as long as the poorly child stays at this level) Good book to hand, tea/toast with cheese for brekkie - delicious. Tell you something though, next week I am going hard core! 4:3 and lashings & lashings of exercise, will defo need it

BigChocFrenzy · 23/11/2013 10:28

Weetabix 40lb is wonderful ! You must be very proud.
Flowers
Epic Exercise post Warning!

Re starting: I've been active since age 3, when we had a 2 mile walk to kindergarten and back. Thanks Mum!
I was just a hiker and occasional jogger until age 40, when I decided to build up my muscles, bones & cardiovascular system for a hopefully healthier and more independent old age.

We are all different, but I found the social aspect and equipment essential to making more exercise a regular WOL. I bought a huge home gym setup for £6k which I eventually had to junk, because I used it so occasionally.
A gym offpeak can be as cheap as £30 p.m. as you don't need expensive pools, sauna, juice bars, massage etc.

Choosing a gym:

  • within journey time 20 mins
  • plenty of classes at times to suit you
  • creche if needed
  • don't bother with expense of a personal trainer.

Starting classes:

  • weekly spin, because you can set your own resistance and speed 45-60 mins
  • weekly pump 60 mins
  • weekly abs class 15-30 mins

Short, higher intensity sessions, whether cardio or weights, are far more efficient than endless steady state low intensity.
So use principal of interval training, but build up intensity gradually. Beginners pump and spin are a good start for this.

AVOID those godawful cardio machines gyms always try to put women on. They are booooring and steady state cardio is very inefficient at burning cals - cal counters are a con.

The key is to invest time regularly 2 or preferably 3 times per week. Build up intensity and frequency as you improve. Beginners see a rapid improvement in fitness which feels wonderful.

Runlikeagirl · 23/11/2013 11:34

Indulged in wine an nibbles last night at a friend's house, but did park run this morning (5k) and got a new pb of 30.35! Pleased with that!

I dont really like gyms, I find them depressing. I love running outside, I like the freedom and being on my own etc.

BigChocFrenzy · 23/11/2013 11:36

Ducky
Have no fear. Deviant Porridge is now firmly established as part of the 5:2 WOE.
My version is oat bran & flaxmeal with pnut butter and Lindt 90% Cocoa.
Smile
Helles
Dr Who T-shirt from USA ? He's British, how dare they !
Yes, melted cheese is yummy and the La Rustique slices just go directly on bread, then in microwave. Even I can't explode that onto my kitchen ceiling.
Smile