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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

The 5:2 thread number 29 - The C word party season is not too far off, come join us and drop a few pounds. Warning! This way of eating is so easy you may never want to stop...

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BetsyBell · 22/10/2013 21:54

The continuing thread for those of us following the 5:2 fast or other forms of fasting such as 4:3, ADF, or daily 16:8.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012 and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat normally - or approximately your Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE - see explanation below). 4:3 is the same except you fast on 3 days in the week. Alternate-day fasting (ADF) is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. 16:8 is another form where you stick to only eating in an 8 hour window each day, therefore fasting for 16 hours each day.

By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

NFD = Non fast day

NSV = Non scale victory

Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his book on the subject. Please go check it out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

Lurkers and new starters: please just jump in and post - you'll find a lot of support here and we’re a friendly bunch.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

All our previous threads can be found by browsing through the fasting section of the site.

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the tips and links that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

There's a link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

This link nicely demonstrates that there are many body ‘right’ body shapes and types, because what we are actually aiming for is low body fat for fitness and health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting. (I highly recommend this for an overview)

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful.

A HUGE THANK YOU to Greeneggsandnicht for putting together all this info and resources into one concise OP text, much appreciated by so many 5:2ers!

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

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BigChocFrenzy · 25/10/2013 17:13

Atchoo Well done, sounds like real progress in knicker changes.
Your internet router need to clench more, though.

AtchooUhOh · 25/10/2013 17:28

Thanks! I forgot to add to my update....
Rolls of cling film used: lots of Grin

Nfd here. Just as well, as am currently sat in cinema about to watch Cloudy with a chance of Meatballs; which I believe is full of giant mutant food and drinks of all kinds Hmm.

Followed by a Pizza Hut and their ice-cream factory!
Think its best if I put fingers in ears and say la la lah in regards to any calorie counting!

Loving the free wifi though, thanks Vue! No running round the garden looking for signal and waiting half an hour for each msg to post!

Have a great fri everyone.

AtchooUhOh · 25/10/2013 17:31

Oh and GO YOU! AnnieL doing a Friday fast is hardcore.
Well done!

BsshBossh · 25/10/2013 17:52

BigChoc the jacket potato with butter, cheese, beans and coleslaw was delicious .

Half term now and we're off away to MIL's for some of it so not sure whether fasting will happen this week or not. Maybe a few mini fasts. Gotta love the flexibility of IF.

BigChocFrenzy · 25/10/2013 19:15

wrigglebum . Pushups are one of the best exercises for increasing strength. Everyone should aim to lift their bodyweight if possible.
I found the trick to doing them is keeping your core rigid, as if you are doing the plank, simultaneously with pushing up at the arms. So, you need strong shoulders and abs, also strong lower back to keep your lower half in line.
I recommend increasing shoulder press weights a lot, to increase strength there.
Strength your lower back by bending with barbell / weights down to about knee level, keeping muscles tight and then straightening back up again.
Also, do your situps with hands in front of you, not tugging at your neck. This will concentrate on building abs strength.

eatriskier · 25/10/2013 19:22

wriggle sorry I may have confused you and whim as the foremost hooper!

dotty nice hooping

atchoo glad you're on the mend ahem

somewherebecomingrain · 25/10/2013 19:54

Omg 3,500 cals today Shock.

I've eaten back half the weeks deficit!

Except that Hopefully I've got 600 extra a day on bf.

wrigglebum · 25/10/2013 20:04

Thanks for ideas bigchoc. My shoulders are pathetically weak, so I will definitely work on those- shoulder presses and lat raises are killers for me. I can do about 5 proper push ups so I will work on that and try and do a few sets of them to build up my strength. Going to increase my protein a bit too after exercises to try and help with muscle repair.

BigChocFrenzy · 25/10/2013 20:05

somewhere I beat you, 4500+ delicious cals today
Blush
Just as well to tomorrow is an FD.

Talkinpeace · 25/10/2013 20:11

wrigglebum
remember to up your protein without upping your calories - until your body fat is down around the 20% mark, you are better letting your body strip the calories from 'reserves'

wrigglebum · 25/10/2013 21:56

Thanks tip, yes I'm reducing carbs to compensate (apart from tonight's cake and garlic bread pig out Blush). Just done some shoulder exercises and managed two sets of 7 press ups (personal best) and currently hooping as I type!

rubbishfamily333 · 25/10/2013 22:27

Talkinpeace - my tdee at a few pounds above my ideal weight is 1659. I was reading a 5:2 book and it said to keep your calories roughly around 2000 calories for women on non fast days.

When I did jillian michaels 30day shred I thought my calves got bigger Hmm

I am thinking I would like to start do a few weights movements at home, does anyone else do this? If so how much each day? I'm thinking something that only takes a few mins but will help with thighs, hips and belly, preferably not crunches Confused

eatriskier · 25/10/2013 23:09

rubbish whilst the book is meant to be very good things change since its publication. If you check out the fast diet website they now have a TDEE calculator and an explanation of the 2000/500 thing
thefastdiet.co.uk/how-many-calories-on-a-non-fast-day/

eatriskier · 25/10/2013 23:10

Though, meant to add:
many people here have very successfully done TDEE/500 splits, so no need to stick to the quarter for fast days. I just find it a decent MM explanation as to why they say 2000/500 when many people's TDEE isn't 2000.

BigChocFrenzy · 25/10/2013 23:17

Hi rubbish Exercise of all kinds is excellent for health.
It may also help raise / maintain your TDEE. However, achieving that, or a significantly more toned look, normally requires more than a few mins per day.

Any amount is better than none and the best exercise is one you personally enjoy and could do regularly.

Lifting weights will help prevent loss of muscle during weight loss and will help your body look more toned. Easiest to do at home is just use your own body weight. For your problem areas try squats. Try 3 sets of 8 squats or however many you can manage. So: 8 squats, rest 1 minute, 8 squats, rest again, 8 squats.

Cardio helps heart fitness and burns fat. Why not try a 15 min jog or cycle a couple of times per week in the fresh air ?

Is there a local Zumba or Pilates class you could join ? Might be more fun in a group.

Start gradually and build on what you enjoy.

BigChocFrenzy · 25/10/2013 23:34

rubbish If you exercise, you may gain muscle mass.
If you lose weight, your muscle may appear bigger, because the layer of fat covering it has been reduced. Or if you haven't lost weight but just added muscle, you would indeed be bigger.
If you think look better, it generally means fat loss and maybe muscle gain too, both healthy !

You lose weight if your overall calorie balance, in /out, is negative. 52 helps achieve this for us.

eatriskier · 26/10/2013 07:13

GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY - HOW ARE THE HANGOVERS???!!?!?!??!!?!?

Hehehehehe. I may still be feeling the effect of last nights Wine.

Well as I suspected yesterday's weigh in was a blip. A sneaky peak this am and I have hit 9st13. So here I am:

Start:
Weight 14st13
Waist 44in
Hips (not properly recorded anyway but I think they were around 50in)
Dress size 20 (UK) and bursting at the seems
BMI 35

27 weeks later:
Weight 9st13
Waist 28in
Hips 33in
Dress size 8/10 (UK)
BMI 23

I'm glad to report my height is still the same over this time Halloween Wink at 5ft5.

I'm going to ask DH to take a photo of me later so I can get a proper comparison shot and post another before and after.

eatriskier · 26/10/2013 07:14

*seams. meh

Not2bObvious · 26/10/2013 07:36

Eatriskier you're a superstar! I can't get over those stats. Crack open the champagne, medicinal as hair of the dog and Saturday IS an allowed drinking day (no one told me there was time restrictionGrin)
Delighted for you and encouraged by your success

BetsyBell · 26/10/2013 08:07

eatsriskier YOU ARE AMAZING! Flowers

A life changing 6 months xxx

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eatriskier · 26/10/2013 08:10

Hahahahaha not2b I think there's still enough in there from yesterday to cover me. Not champers but alcohol none the less.

I added another before and after shot to my photos, dug out the old outfit. I just want to say before anyone looks though that its the lighting in the second shot that makes my teeth look that bad. They aren't white white but they aren't beige in real life either!

MelanieCheeks · 26/10/2013 08:20

Fantastic work eat, looking good!

I've managed to get rid of the salt-induced water retention of last Sunday's dinner - patience is the one thing you really need on this woe, isn't it!

I still take the TDEE/ 500 etc calculations with a large metaphorical pinch of salt, though. What's so magical about a quarter? Why not 26%, or 23%? Plus I KNOW all figures are estimates - it's too easy to be seduced by maths.

mehefin · 26/10/2013 08:30

Amazing pictures Eatriskier

Big Choc hope your saturday FD goes well. I am off to work and only taking water with me so that will see me through 'til 5pm. Only food available is the biscuit tin and as Peplum will confirm you only have to think of where the hands have been that might have dipped in before you to put you right off eating them !

A small slice of banana loaf later with friends who are literally passing through my town and dropping in for a cuppa and then sweet potato and lentil soup for dinner and FD done.

Enjoy your Saturday everyone else

southeastdweller · 26/10/2013 08:39

Congrats eat on hitting that 5 stones mark Flowers

How interesting laska about the origins of snacking.

I'm still feeling full up after having a late fish and chips lunch in Brighton yesterday. Also had a bread roll then my carb antenna found a new bakery round the corner from Harry Ramsdens so had a bakewell tart as well. I'll just eat lightly today.

lucyintheskywithdinos · 26/10/2013 09:00

eat that's amazing! Well done!

Weighed in this morning at 11 stone exactly! Which is a total loss of three stone now.

Nice, sensible NFD today.

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