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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

The 5:2 thread number 28 - Come and join us! The threads may be getting on a bit but the new starters keep us young and fresh!

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BetsyBell · 10/10/2013 10:49

The continuing thread for those of us following the 5:2 fast or other forms of fasting such as 4:3, ADF, or daily 16:8.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012 and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat normally - or approximately your Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE - see explanation below). 4:3 is the same except you fast on 3 days in the week. Alternate-day fasting (ADF) is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. 16:8 is another form where you stick to only eating in an 8 hour window each day, therefore fasting for 16 hours each day.

By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

NFD = Non fast day

NSV = Non scale victory

Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his book on the subject. Please go check it out, as he's the whole reason these threads started!

Lurkers and new starters: please just jump in and post - you'll find a lot of support here and we’re a friendly bunch.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

Our previous threads can be found by browsing through the fasting section of the site.

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the tips and links that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

There's a link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting. (I highly recommend this for an overview)

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful.

A HUGE THANK YOU to Greeneggsandnicht for putting together all this info and resources into one concise OP text, much appreciated by so many 5:2ers!

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

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MissStrawberry · 22/10/2013 21:40

Thanks TIP for permission to not log Grin.

I am quite a free style cook SF so don't always weigh stuff.

I know I need to lose weight and if I don't and also don't log then how am I going to keep on top of things and not let the weight creep back on?

Just realised AF due on Thursday. Wonder if that is why I have put on 0.8lbs. But then I have been getting ready to grow a baby so everything that has to go is already there so why do you put weight on at TOTM?

MissStrawberry · 22/10/2013 21:45

9lbs in 5 weeks?! really pleased for you but Envy. I am on 12lbs in about 10 weeks Sad. That isn't good enough, is it

cuckoo13 · 22/10/2013 21:48

LucySky I am fasting tmw, which is precisely why I am now clutching tub of B&J peanut butter cup, that didn't manage to put much of dent in at weekend, due to the fact that it was SHITE! (weekend shite that is, never B&J!)

I am also declaring this a 4:3 week as of this minute! Just need to convince dp and dd that trip to cinema which will be followed by trip to PizzaHut to visit the cheeseburger crust pizza, should now be on saturday and not on fri as originally planned!

Wonder what my imagination sly fox mind can come up with as excuse reason...? hmmm??

BetsyBell · 22/10/2013 21:56

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Preciousdaisybear · 22/10/2013 21:58

Oohh eat I like the sound of the diet white russian and the version with frangelica. Any chance of buying that in Aberdeen?

Ok, how do you calorie count a takeaway? We have a van that sells buffet thai food: various chicken dishes with rice and/or noodles with a spring roll. Oh so fine but... Ambushed by DH with one at lunch time today and would have been churlish not to eat it. Who thinks 800 cals sounds about right?

cuckoo13 · 22/10/2013 21:58

MISSSTRAWB!!!!

I am total free styler cook and ALWAYS from scratch. BUT I am super strict on fast days. I eat separate meals to dp and dc, and write down/weigh EVERYTHING. Absolutely EVERYTHING. Sometimes this has me cooking 3 diff meals (one for each of us) but I am SOOOOOOO fed up of being a fatty that I am prepared to do whatever it takes to get rid of wobbles once and for all. (Also dp makes his own when he can on fd which helps, or I serve up jazzed up leftovers!).

It really doesn't feel so much like work after couple of weeks. I get bag of salad - watercress,spinach&rocket, for example. Is something like 25 cals for whole bag! Pick a few things to chuck on it - eggs/meat/fish. Add some extra veggies/salad. And sprinkle with whatever else can afford and voila - one massive plate of food. Have drinks, bouillon/soup during day.

If you are extra strict on fd it will really pay off. Then forget it about it rest of week. By sounds of things you also get what I do on nfd - shrunk appetite etc, fear it not, your body is just resetting itself.

Talkinpeace · 22/10/2013 21:59

is unbelievably childishly pleased to have got onto the next thread already !

MissStrawberry
You'll get there.
You had two issues, one major one minor.
THe minor one was that you are a tad overweight and need to shift a bit.
The major, major one was that you had an utterly dysfuncional relationship with food. And that is in the past.
You've done really really well

BigChocFrenzy · 22/10/2013 22:03

Cuckoo I visualise you as a sllightly sozzled avian with beak in wine glass, cling film over nether regions, doing doggy dips and falling into cowpats Grin.

Only the weekly weigh-in counts, but I confess to checking scales daily, due to intense curiousity in the effect a particular amount or type of food has (chronic scientist).

I find each FD drops about 4 lb - but NFDs put it nearly all back (pig alert !). Anyone else recording their zig-zag ?

BigChocFrenzy · 22/10/2013 22:08

missS 12 lb in 10 weeks is excellent, well done !
I'm glad someone else doesn't MFP. I decided MFP was too intrusive, so didn't even register !

somewherebecomingrain · 23/10/2013 08:48

Rosie What bbd said. Sorry my eq seems to be low at the moment. Xxx

BetsyBell · 23/10/2013 09:06

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