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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

The 5:2 thread number 28 - Come and join us! The threads may be getting on a bit but the new starters keep us young and fresh!

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BetsyBell · 10/10/2013 10:49

The continuing thread for those of us following the 5:2 fast or other forms of fasting such as 4:3, ADF, or daily 16:8.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012 and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat normally - or approximately your Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE - see explanation below). 4:3 is the same except you fast on 3 days in the week. Alternate-day fasting (ADF) is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. 16:8 is another form where you stick to only eating in an 8 hour window each day, therefore fasting for 16 hours each day.

By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

NFD = Non fast day

NSV = Non scale victory

Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his book on the subject. Please go check it out, as he's the whole reason these threads started!

Lurkers and new starters: please just jump in and post - you'll find a lot of support here and we’re a friendly bunch.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

Our previous threads can be found by browsing through the fasting section of the site.

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the tips and links that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

There's a link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting. (I highly recommend this for an overview)

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful.

A HUGE THANK YOU to Greeneggsandnicht for putting together all this info and resources into one concise OP text, much appreciated by so many 5:2ers!

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

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Dotty342kids · 22/10/2013 08:29

Morning all! Fast day was going fine until about 4.30 yesterday when I convinced myself I could just have one chocolate hobnob....... cue another, then anohter, then dinner, then evening munchies Sad. So annoyed iwth myself. So now today is a fast day instead Smile

cuckoo I have "issues" in the pelvic floor dept too. Had gynae support after second DC but all the advice and practising just hasn't really fixed it. However, there aren't any disasters unless, for any reason, I have to suddenly break into a sprint, which fortunately is rare to never!
One word of caution re. the "holding in a wee" advice........... my pilates instructor has a medical background and strongly advises against this as your tubes have a natural bend in them and it's very easy for some of the held in wee to get then get stuck in the bend and trigger off a urinary infection. tip's second exercise suggestion is the better one to do. Or, sit / stand and imagine that you're trying to pull a piece of clingfilm tight to your lady bits, using just the invisible pulling power of your pelvic floor! Sounds bizarre but it really does work Grin

I know anyone reading this is now trying that Grin Grin

alfiemama · 22/10/2013 08:33

Bugger x2 weighed myself and put on 2lb wtf! How can that be?
Sorry for the self indulgent moan.

alfiemama · 22/10/2013 08:34

Thanks Betsy I'm worried though now I will gain even more weight.

Dotty you sound like me. Wink Have you got a feeder in the house too?

eatriskier · 22/10/2013 08:39

My instinct to hide away from the whining dcs was a good one. Dd has tried to coat my living room in yogurt, and whilst she can be naughty that's a while different league for her. She then proceeded to completely melt down. So she's back in bed and is just happily lying there. Blatantly woke too early. I have a sneaky suspicion that swimming lessons aren't going to happen today. Maybe a Brew will help

lucyintheskywithdinos · 22/10/2013 09:10

Gods eat I hope your morning improves.

alfie could it be TOTM related? My sister always puts a couple of lbs on the week or so before.

not2b blip. It will come off just as mysteriously!

NFD today for me, I have a serious protein craving so I'm going to make lentils, roasted veg, brown rice and garlicky tahini sauce for dinner - probably my favourite meal at the moment. DD1 wants to do some yoga, so we will do that in a minute. Sneak peek at the scales says 11.2 so I'm going to 4:3 this week (& maybe next week too) to try to see a 10 before our Halloween party!

Dotty342kids · 22/10/2013 09:21

alfiemama my husband does tend to bring home tasty treats but can't blame him for yesterday's as he was away! And don't worry about a couple of pounds gain, they come and go away again just as easily / without explanation Smile

Dotty342kids · 22/10/2013 09:22

eatriskier sounds like you could all do with going back to bed! And congrats on hitting the 10st mark btw Grin

PoshPaula · 22/10/2013 09:24

Yay! I got through my FD yesterday on around 500 cals and I made myself drink shed loads of water (as advised to up thread) - and this morning..... I am NOT hungry!

What a revelation! I used to be ravenous for breakfast, always. So I'm having a coffee and leaving it until later to eat. I feel so in control! It's great!

SerendipityAlways · 22/10/2013 09:29

Good Morning - the morning after my very first Fast day on the 5:2...and feeling good so far. The first day went well, but for my next fast day (Thursday) I will definitely push breakfast out to 11am-ish as I found the long afternoon endless after having a very early breakfast. I managed to fast from 7am to 7pm when I had the most gorgeous smoked haddock and poached egg and veg dinner - delicious! Fasted again then until 7am this morning when breakfast never tasted so good!!

MissStrawberry · 22/10/2013 10:06

How do you all read so many posts and then remember what was said enough to comment? My memory has been rubbish since I had children and seems to be getting worse.

I fasted yesterday so decided to see what I had lost. I have put on 0.8lbs since Friday. Not happy that I am upset by it but tbh I am worrying about my son still so wonder if it is more that.

I have done what I always do when I feel blue and have been baking. I have got granary bread in the bread maker and have invented some muffins. They are red pepper and wensleydale flavour. Sorry if you are fasting. They are healthy though!!

BetsyBell · 22/10/2013 10:13

Today's exercise completed - really crap run followed by 45 mins of yoga. Have yet to break yesterday's fast. Might try and ride it out until lunch now.

poshpaula Brilliant :)

alfie a couple of pounds up or down is neither here nor there really, many of us find we bounce around a weight for a while then it eventually settles to lower end of the bounce and then the whole process starts again. No one stays the same weight day in day out and indeed your weight will be higher at different times of the day.

Best to only bring out the scales once in a while and look in the mirror/use a measure tape.

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NotAsTired · 22/10/2013 10:17

Helles have you tried , a type of yogic breathing. It's very calming and I always sleep better when I practise it for about 5 minutes at bed time.

alfiemama · 22/10/2013 10:29

Thanks Betsy. I think my scales were having a mini fit on me and now appear to be back to normal. Phew. Even so I will be good today. I'm not fasting but just going to have a low calorie day to make up for mini blip.

I can't keep up either with all the posts.

Well done everyone so far.

BetsyBell · 22/10/2013 10:49

This thread is moving really fast! I'll post up a new one later x

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Preciousdaisybear · 22/10/2013 11:07

Morning all! Successful FD yesterday coming in at just over 500 (pesky mint club bar found lurking on my bedside table). I feel so good today that once chores are done I am going to open the cellophane on my shred DVD and actually give it a go. Have a good day everyone.

Preciousdaisybear · 22/10/2013 11:08

arghh BIG not bid!

Talkinpeace · 22/10/2013 11:09

Betsybell ribs above boobs - yup it is not a good look.
Chest, upper back and shoulder work will put a decent layer of muscle over the ribs so that they look toned rather than 'last chicken'
things like Sun Salutations, chest flys, clean and press and the dreaded press ups

Kaluki · 22/10/2013 11:16

Hello! I have been doing the 5:2 diet for about 6 weeks and have lost about 5lbs so far.

I have found it easier than expected; the hunger pangs don't bother me but I do get quite irritable and can't concentrate as the day goes on.
I'm just marking my place really as I am going to read through the whole thread when I am at work get time!

BigChocFrenzy · 22/10/2013 11:22

Between-meetings wave to all FDers today - not me !

This NFD, my breakfast was protein shake, protein pud and veg juice. I‘m trying a high protein / low carb day to avoid my disgraceful NFD pigging and because it is my one day rest from gym.

Betsy
Sadly fat loss is distributed according to your body type and cannot be altered by exercise. Low carb can reduce waist more (but is really yuk to eat long-term).
Normally for women, our bods hang on grimly to our lower body fat until it has used up the fat in the upper parts, so boobs may shrink first.
I have always been very flat-chested (A / AA cup for F‘s sake !) but once I started lifting weights, my shoulders & biceps expanded a lot and my rib cage to some extent. Broader shoulders make boobs appear more impressive.
Start lifting, but gradually, don't strain things. Press-ups are best of all. Also do side raises, front raises, bicep curls. Try one set of 8 reps for each exercise, then build up number of sets and amount of weight.

BigChocFrenzy · 22/10/2013 11:23

PS don't worry, lunch and supper will have loads of veg, just less starch today.

GrippingArms · 22/10/2013 11:55

NFD so i've had cheese on toast just now

i've come to learn that my body hates processed & refined carbs (pasta/bread/pastry) so now eat as little of those as possible, and try to stick to spelt bread (as i've just done)

i looked at low carbing, but as a vegetarian, it would be nigh-on impossible for me to cut out pulses and beans. this has helped me so much with carb cravings, which in turn helps with the fasting days.

so much so i've lost another 2lbs this week, so that's 13lbs in 6 weeks

Grin Grin Grin Grin

BigChocFrenzy · 22/10/2013 12:18

Oh brilliant grip. That is wonderfully quick for 13 lb. Clever you.

Breadandwine · 22/10/2013 12:20

I know anyone reading this is now trying that

All except me, Dotty! Grin

But pelvic floor/bladder exercise is a subject I can contribute to. A couple of years ago I was admitted to hospital with a bladder infection - meant I couldn't have a pee for 14 hours! Shock

A continence nurse friend of mine told me I should be doing the bladder muscle tightening exercise for about 20 minutes a day - but never whilst having a pee!

When doing this exercise, my default position is - muscle tightened. Every second or so I release this pressure for a split second, then tighten again as hard as I can. I do it when driving, sometimes whilst on here catching up - can be done anywhere, of course.

I don't always stick to this regime - but after a couple of days, if I have to get up during the night, I get back on it quick smart! Smile

I've told my group of friends about this - and they all report a lessening of nightly visits to the loo. One trick, if this bothers you - if you wake up in the night needing a pee, tightly clench the bladder muscles, pelvic floor or whatever, about 20 times, and often the need wanes and you can go back to sleep.

This is only effective if you've been doing the daily exercises for a while.

To cheer everyone up this gloomy morning, here's a tale of my grandson - aged 6 at the time - and my bladder infection:

I came home after a couple of days with an incontinence bag for a week or so, which I had strapped to my leg. Alfie was very intrigued by this.

One day he wasn't very well - and, feeling a bit sorry for himself, said to his mum, "I'm feeling poorly, mummy. I think I'll have to go to hospital and get a bag."

Grin Grin

Of course we all fell about laughing!

BigChocFrenzy · 22/10/2013 12:26

Grip Another bread:
I ordered some sprouted bread online, having heard how healthy it is. I recvd 2 packs of 8 tiny very solid loaves, one rye and one with dates, all vegan. Both were delicious with cheese or nut spread and didn’t need toasting.

Talkinpeace · 22/10/2013 12:39

Breadandwine
Indeed, my yoga teacher is always on at the men in the room to work on their pelvic floors as well because ALL of the lower abdominal muscles are involved. The stopping weeing thing only works for women for anatomical reasons best not detailed over lunchtime!

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