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Fasting / 5:2 diet

The 5:2 Thread Number 23: Summer's really here - time to melt off those extra pounds!

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BetsyBell · 08/07/2013 22:49

The continuing thread for those of us following either the 5:2 diet or the alternate-day fasting diet.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012, and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat what you like, or approximately your TDEE (see explanation below). Alternate-day fasting is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

ADF = Alternate-day Fasting, as it says on the tin, fasting every other day rather than 5:2.

NFD = Non fast day

NSV = Non scale victory

Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his new book on the subject. Please go check them out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

I know a number of people lurk on this thread, as this is currently quite popular. Please just jump in and post if you're new- you'll find a lot of support here.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

All our previous threads can be found by browsing back through the fasting section of the site.

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the tips and links that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

There's a link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting. (I highly recommend this for an overview)

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful.

A HUGE THANK YOU to Greeneggsandnicht for putting together all this info and resources into one concise OP text, much appreciated by so many 5:2ers!

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

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EagleRiderDirk · 22/07/2013 16:46

notastired I've been done up so tightly I don't even think hours a day of ab work will mean it goes away. Well there may not be a pouch but there will be a dent

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mttum · 22/07/2013 16:50

Fasters, what time are you eating tonight? I'm ready now, having had nothing all day, but don't know whether to leave it a while longer so I go to bed feeling full...

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monster54 · 22/07/2013 16:53

FD and dont eat till after DC in bed so 7:30/8pm

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Talkinpeace · 22/07/2013 16:57

just to reassure y'all : under those yoga clothes, my tummy skin a disaster zone too : thank goodness for lycra!
I hate looking at myself naked as all I focus on is the non boob wobbly bits. So I tend not to go near mirrors till I'm properly attired.

vvv
if you really cannot face the scales, have look at this site
www.cockeyed.com/photos/bodies/heightweight.html
and do a best guess of ten pounds below how you think you look
and then set your TDEE with low exercise

you should still have plenty of leeway for eating
and yes, try not to drink during the week : if you can tak three days a week OFF from booze you massively reduce your chances of liver disease

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BeckyBrandon · 22/07/2013 17:03


I wonder if someone could help please.

On day 6 at the moment and done well so far.
Only thing is...... My TDEE is just under 2000 calories, and I've been doing 1300 Calories on NFD... I didn't know doing under you recommended TDEE was bad, I thought I was doing good. I'm truly content sticking to 1300 cals, but will it be bad if I do?
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BetsyBell · 22/07/2013 17:05

Right, for a short time only I've popped up then and now pics on my profile. The 'now' is after a weekend of cake so not exactly at my all time slimmest but you get the idea!

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BetsyBell · 22/07/2013 17:08

BeckyBrandon You might to up those calories 2 or 3 days a week to really get the benefits of this WOE - it seems to require a marked difference between fast and nfds for our body's to let go of the extra poundage. ie, you may not lose weight as quickly if you under-eat every day.

Nuts, seeds, oils, avocadoes are all great, healthy ways to do up your calories.

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Talkinpeace · 22/07/2013 17:17

Hi Becky
as a rough weekly plan, with your TDEE of 2000 ish, go for
Monday = 500
Tuesday = 1800
Wednesday = 1800
Thursday = 500
Friday = 2000
Saturday = 2200
Sunday = 2000

that should do the trick ...

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BeckyBrandon · 22/07/2013 17:22

Ah ok, Thank you.

You look fantastic now Betsy. Very inspiring.

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Dotty342kids · 22/07/2013 17:27

Betsy you look amazing! Well done!
You also look very toned which is what I'm beginning to realise I am lacking completely. I am definitely slimmer but am still super wobbly almost everywhere.
I do a very energetic zumba class twice a week and play tennis once / do pilates once but none of those things do what's needed.
So, lovely 5:2 folk, as I utterly hate the gym what would you recommend to do at home to tone up thighs / tummy? Please don't say Shred, it sounds tortuous Grin

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NotAsTired · 22/07/2013 17:30

mttum am about to tuck in now. I always eat at this time.

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Itsaboatjack · 22/07/2013 17:49

Betsy you look amazing, your waist is tiny. You must be so pleased.

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Talkinpeace · 22/07/2013 17:52

Dotty
Yoga, pilates, bodypump, lots of high speed walking

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BetsyBell · 22/07/2013 17:55

I'm still quite wobbly Dotty - I really do need to tone up too, it's a different story without clothes or when I'm moving! I've not been exercising much lately (too hot), but go through bouts of sporadic regular running, dvds (yes some shredding) and yoga, with some random squats and crunches or whatever.

Fast day today, am waiting for DH so I can eat a plate of salmon steam baked with fennel, celery, ginger, lemon, tomatoes and jalapenos, on top of a load of salad leaves.

[hungry]

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BetsyBell · 22/07/2013 17:56

I am blessed with a little waist (not that I'd seen it for years!) and now the thighs are reducing too - thank you all for the kind words and remember: if I can do it there's no reason why you can't as well :)

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mttum · 22/07/2013 18:08

notas, think I will join you Smile

dotty, I bought a book off amazon (before I decided to boycott it) called "You are your own gym". Basically it's resistance exercises you do without needing any equipment, and there are varying levels of difficulty. It's by a chap called Mark Lauren, and he's also written a book "for women" called "body by you" . Don't know how it differs tbh. Great for toning, no fees for gym or lessons Grin. There is also a YAYOG app on iTunes which is great. Not for everyone I accept, but I swear by it. I also walk a lot (well, three or four miles a day on average).

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HellesBelles396 · 22/07/2013 18:30

Short term goals:
By the time I return to work in september, I will be a size 16 and my feet will be size 5.
When my tummy rumbles, I will assume that I am thirsty rather than that I am hungry.

Long term goals:
Currently 14s9
Target 10s4 (last time I felt good physically, I was that size)

Non-weight targets:
Size 12-14
Waist under the magic 31"
Run up to the second floor at work

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postmanpatscat · 22/07/2013 18:33

Well done today's fasters, bet you have drunk GALLONS!

I met my target weight in May, since then lost another 6lbs. Might try and get another 2kg down before hols in three weeks. I have also got my 5k time under 30 mins and run 10.5 miles non-stop (not in this heat!) so I need a new goal!

betsy you look fab!

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64zoolane · 22/07/2013 18:44

Hi, I wonder if any of you have any tips about dealing with holidays. I'm going to Spain tomorrow for just over two weeks so will miss my next 5 fast days. I will be with family and friends, and in hotels, etc and it will be impossible for me to fast or calorie count to any detailed degree. I'm terrified my good work of the last 6 months is all going to be undone!

How have you avoided everything going out of control while enjoying your holiday?

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Talkinpeace · 22/07/2013 18:49

64zoolane
work to two meals and one snack per day.
A light breakfast, a light lunch and a decent supper
you WILL put on weight : so what, its a holiday
but if you are really hot, have a drink or fruit or a light veggie tapas rather than a big plate
and eat all the salads

watch what the skinny spaniards do : its pretty much that!

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EagleRiderDirk · 22/07/2013 18:53

betsy wow - fantastic figure

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jnq1 · 22/07/2013 18:54

Hi TIP and Dotty
Just an update to say I'm gad I persevered as the weight has started coming off again now! 12lbs lost now since mid May - I am so chuffed!
Thanks for all your encouragement! X

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Dotty342kids · 22/07/2013 19:06

Oh, so pleased to hear that jnq1, you must be so pleased! It's so easy to get disheartened but with this WOE you just keep on doing what you're doing, tweak if you like and it will work.
I would like to lose more weight but am not obsessing over it, it'll happen when it happens Smile

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Gilbertus · 22/07/2013 19:07

Fd here. Nothing until lunch then a tiny sliver of the kids Spanish omelette, about an inch. Handful of pretzels while playing cards with kids. Count on us moussaka just now (280 cals). Lots of water and tea. Made roast lamb with sliced potatoes for the family - so virtuous! Really hoping to be under 11 stone on Friday...

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64zoolane · 22/07/2013 19:17

Thank you!

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