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2015 Running Thread Part 5

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actiongirl1978 · 27/04/2015 15:26

Hi everyone, new thread started! Grin

OP posts:
Anglaise1 · 03/06/2015 20:17

How do you change to a forefoot strike holmes? Everything about the way I run is wrong, and although I try and correct what I know is wrong in theory it just doesn't work in practiceShock

BobblesAndClips · 03/06/2015 20:48

Thanks for all the welcomes, they've made me feel all warm and fuzzy Grin

I'm quite excited about my next run purely to add my mileage on to the thread total! But in the meantime, I'll just add my 2.5 from last night.

OhOne Thanks for the tip of the parkrun thread, I will come and say hello there soon, although I don't think I can make it for a few weeks (bah) so might wait til I've done my next one, else I'll feel like an imposter!

It's been interesting reading about people's interval and hill training, I think I need to do some sessions like that (painful though they sound...) as I'd love to improve my pace. A friend has been asking me to come along to the local running club for a while, but I'm just not confident of being able to run far enough or fast enough, so that's another goal I've got.

Smile

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lastqueenofscotland · 03/06/2015 21:40

Anglaise I've been working in a forefoot strike and I just think it's thinking about it, then once your in a rhythm it's much easier.
No knee pain since I started!

OhOneOhTwoOhThree · 03/06/2015 21:42

Ummm, I know my maths isn't the best, but Anglaise how did you make 111.15 plus 7 make 122.15? Smile

No running for me today (have run the last 4 days so thought I should lay off), but I did a 20 minute youtube yoga for runners this morning, and 9 miles on my bike this evening.

PoppyShakespeare · 03/06/2015 21:46

have (with help from a PT) bucked the trend and transitioned from running on tippy toes to using my heels but I do sometimes forget

is impossible to say whether this has helped calf problems as not running far enough but will be interesting to see

holmessweetholmes · 03/06/2015 22:39

Anglaise - I dunno really. I just... started running on the balls of my feet. I only did it for a little bit of each run at first, because it's quite a big change and it can put strain on different muscles. It can be tough on the achilles too.

I used to get what I think were minor stress fractures and I've had no further problems since I changed strike. I also have no problems with knees or hips or ankles, which kind of surprises me, given that I am... ummm... let's say not the most lightweight of runners Grin. So the forefoot strike might help with that too.

What do you mean exactly when you say you run all wrong? I guess to a certain extent people just have their own running style. But the thing that struck me about the forefoot strike is that it's true that it's how we naturally run if we have bare feet, so surely we must have evolved to run that way.

Anglaise1 · 04/06/2015 07:05

Holmes heel strike, small stride considering I am tall with long legs, arms not swinging properly and crossed over in front, hunched over instead of chest out, everything you shouldn't do.
At the end of a 10k race in December a girl I just beat on the line said she'd never seen someone run as strangely as I did and she had no idea how I managed to actually run quite fast with such a dreadful running style.

ohoneohtwo oh dear, I've no idea where those extra miles came from, maybe I was adding my kms instead! I'll take the extra 4 off so the total should be
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holmessweetholmes · 04/06/2015 08:31

I'm no expert but from what I've read, I don't think the small stride is a problem - it keeps your body centred over your feet and gives you a faster cadence, which is supposed to be a good thing, I think.

I know what you mean about the upper body stuff though. I think my arms are ok but I have been making an effort lately to have shoulders back, chest out and, most of all, head upright. I had a tendency to have my head forward/down too much. Which, if you think how heavy your head is, must be bad for your centre of gravity and put pressure on your neck / back. I find I tire less easily now too - carrying your head in that position instead of it sitting on top must add to your overall effort.

This probably sounds really daft Blush but when I first started trying to change my stride and posture, I always had in the back of my mind (on longer runs) the bit in Born to Run where he talks about tribesmen being able to hunt down, and ultimately catch, a deer/gazelle type thing. I sort of pretended to myself that I was doing it Blush. So... light on the balls of your feet, slow steady pace, head up as if to scan the horizon, running at a speed where you feel you could keep going for a looong time, just keeping the deer in sight until it tires, not actively trying to catch it, shoulders relaxed, arms bent at a loose angle. That kinda thing. But the head position is the thing that seems to make the difference for me. Blush and Grin at the idea of me being able to catch a deer.

Sorry for the epic post when I should be making the dc's packed lunches. I guess it's nice to chunter on about running in the absence of feeling well enough to actually do it!

Whowouldfardelsbear · 04/06/2015 08:52

You've just inspired me to order Born to Run from the Book Depository. About time I read something rather than spend my downtime on the internet! I am going to try that stalking the deer thing next time!

cinnamongreyhound · 04/06/2015 09:42

I haven't read born to run but think I'll put it on my list after run like a girl which I'm half way through.

I am a big heel striker in sure. All the shoes I walk in wear at the heel.

No miles from me today as I have preschool committee meeting but I'm debating tomorrow morning. Dh is off so i can stay in bed until 7.15, but if I run will have to get up at 5.30 to meet friend and ds3 tends to feed 4.30-5 Confused

HalleLouja · 04/06/2015 09:45

The run technique training I did is based on this Pose Running.

holmessweetholmes · 04/06/2015 10:15

Whowould Grin - I have so far resisted chasing any actual deer, though there are plenty around here. I don't want to set a bad example to ddog!

HalleLouja - yes, I looked at the Pose Running technique too. The whole thing just makes sense to me - the give and flexibility you are supposed to get from running with a forefoot strike seems like a natural in-built suspension system. Which people have been trying to replicate through cushioned, supportive shoes for ages because of trying to run with a heel strike.

I know there's lots of polemic against forefoot/barefoot/minimalist shoes too, and it apparently doesn't suit everyone, but it certainly works for me. Now I just need to lose a stone and a half to further minimise the impact Grin.

AnnPerkins · 04/06/2015 10:35

This is really interesting. I'm going to have a little try at stalking deer a forefoot strike tonight.

It's such a fantastic day I'm really looking forward to my run.

Anglaise1 · 04/06/2015 12:01

Thanks Holmes that's a great tip about the deer hunting, and Halle for the link on pose running, I hadn't heard of it but will definitely give it a try!

holmessweetholmes · 04/06/2015 12:12

Gah - a bit jealous of you all out deer hunting on this lovely sunny day. I'm coughing and sneezing my way round Aldi. Am pleased everyone likes the deer hunting thing though Grin. I haven't actually done it for a little while. Thanks Anglaise for reminding me about it with your gait/posture issues. Given my username, perhaps I should wear a deerstalker hat to do it Wink.

emummy · 04/06/2015 14:58

3.2 from me, stiffness all gone (thanks yoga!) and it was a ,overly warm day. Doing colour me rad Aberdeen on Saturday with friends, really looking forward to it. Hopefully we will be treating it as a gentle jog!

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emummy · 04/06/2015 14:58

Sorry that should say lovely warm day!

Loueytb3 · 04/06/2015 16:20

Just popping in to add 6.7 from yesterday. On a rest day today (although I've done Pilates) which is a bit annoying given the gorgeous weather, not least because I've got 10 miles planned for tomorrow morning when it's supposed to chuck it down....

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familygermsareok · 04/06/2015 18:36

Love the idea of deer hunting, it makes sense that humans would run that way in evolutionary terms too. I think I am mainly a forefoot striker naturally. I tried to work it out after reading Born to Run and seemed to be landing fairly flatly on my feet, not heel striking but not totally forefoot either. The Pose Running is interesting too. I'm going to have a proper think about my running posture and technique now.
Looking forward to my next race where I will picture the runners ahead that I am aiming to pick off in deer shape Grin

No running for me till Sat, just no free time.

Anglaise1 · 04/06/2015 20:46

10 miles today with a run with friends and then the VMA test (maximum speed threshold in English??) I don't know the exact translation but mine is around 15kph which is right for my race times. It is a bit like a VO2max test done on the track, starting off slowly then increasing until you can't go on anymore.
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runtothehills · 04/06/2015 20:52

5 miles this evening (3 miles club handicap race + 2 warmup/cool down). Lots of midges out that seemed to love my post race sweaty body so now covered in little bites, the bain of the scottish summer Sad. Like the idea of the dear hunting, dog would love it, will need to practice have never really considered my running style/technique before.

Welcome bobbles and Ann

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SqueezyCheeseWeasel · 04/06/2015 21:07

3.7 to add today. Felt hard. Just one of those off days, I suppose. Had to go slow too, as knee was twingeing like a bastard above around 5.5mph (avg speed calculated by my app).

SqueezyCheeseWeasel · 04/06/2015 21:16

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Neeko · 04/06/2015 22:12

Hello. Not been running for over a week due to illness. Planned to go out tonight and do a couple of miles to see how I felt. Felt great so ended up doing my first ever 10k Smile.

Off to read the thread now.

143.25 +6.3 =149.55

AnnPerkins · 04/06/2015 22:38

Four very tough miles for me tonight. It felt hard from the start. Three minutes slower than Tuesday.

A bit dispiriting but I won't run again until Sunday so the rest might do me good.

149.55 + 4.1 + Anglaise's xposted 10 = 163.61