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runners united: the newly garminified thread for people who love running

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rhetorician · 17/08/2011 10:52

all welcome: young, old, fast, slow, running for a week or 20 years, on-road, off-road, racing. Add yourself to the list, or just post!

20/08/11 - Frank Duffy 10 mile, Dublin - rhetorician
29/08/11 - Spofforth 10k Trail Race - DrNortherner
03/09/11 - Dingle Half-Marathon - rhetorician
04/09/11 - Great Scottish Run Half-Marathon: EmmaBemma
11/09/11 - Bristol Half- Marathon - thetasigmamum
11/09/11 - Bristol Half- Marathon- N4nny
11/09/11 - Addidas 5K: MoshiMoshi
18/09/11 - GNR: Hamster, Run for fun, popsycal, LaLa, SLF, Fannybanjo
23/09/11 - Notting Half Marathon: cestlavie
25/09/11 - Edinburgh Urbanathlon: backwardpossom
25/09/11 - Windsor Half Marathon: Doyouthinktheysaurus
25/09/11 - London Half Marathon Run to the beat: June2009
25/09/11 - New Forest Half Marathon: MoshiMoshi
02/10/11 - Standalone 10K: Futurity, Quenelle
02/10/11 - Bradford Half Marathon - MrsWednesday
02/10/11 - Baxter's River Ness 10k - backwardpossom
02/10/11 - The Run, Northampton - YeahThatsTheBadger
09/10/11 - Great Eastern Run, Peterborough - Futurity
09/10/11 - Herts 10k - WishIwasCherryMenlove
16/10/11 - Abingdon Marathon: MoshiMoshi
30/10/11 - Great South Run: Wheely, squix
30/10/11 - Nairobi Standard Chartered Half Marathon - M&M
05/11/11 - Glendalough Trail Run - rhetorician
19/11/11 - Maasai Mara Half Marathon - M&M
20/11/11 - Leeds Abbey Dash (10k) - DrNortherner
27/11/11 - City of Norwich half marathon: ibbydibby
19/02/12 - Brighton Half marathon - Wheely
22/04/12 - VLM: MoshiMoshi, ibbydibby
27/05/12 - London Bupa 10K - Futurity

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MoshiMoshi · 23/08/2011 12:24

Well done on setting up the new thread, rhet. I love that you get anxious about continuing the theme. Do you worry about losing touch with us running mums? Grin

Just checking in after time away in Norfolk, Spain and the New Forest to say hello to all and welcome to newbies. You will never get away now we have got you on our thread ! I will read back now (if the DCs allow)...

rhetorician · 23/08/2011 12:29

hi moshi

just to pickup the garmin theme, I enjoyed these college runners talking about the merits and demerits of the

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Popbiscuit · 23/08/2011 12:38

Hey Runners,
I've been lurking on your thread for a while but thought I'd finally join in if that's okay? So impressed with you all; newbies and experts alike. Great stuff!

I'm just starting to pick things up again as I stress-fractured my pelvis last summer during half-marathon training. Totally out of the blue but a real nuisance as it's caused all sorts of issues with bursitis etc. that tend to flare up if I go over a certain mileage. Can manage 5K about 4 x/week at the moment but really want to get back to longer distances eventually. Will pop in here for inspiration. Anyone else running after injuries?

Bye for now...

peachsmuggler · 23/08/2011 12:50

Wow Quenelle, check out those wheels! Like a penny farthing! Will keep an eye out for a second hand one, thanks for that. Yes difficult to know what to do in 2ww. As you say if you put your life on hold you could quietly go mad. I kept running but didn't train for anything specific. Suppose you could do your race but just take it easy?

Rhet, as am sure your DP will agree it is one indignity after another Smile

welcome back Moshi, hope you are refreshed after all your hols!

Arrrggghhh Cestlavie, am a fellow shuffler. Must be more springy and gazelle like in future!!! Some chance!! Wink

Quenelle · 23/08/2011 13:39

Just went out for 3.5 miles round the block, couldn't decide whether to continue training or take it easy re 2ww so sort of went back to plodding did neither. It was a bit mizzly and cool but not windy, perfect running conditions really. And I found a very nice park which made a pleasant change from pounding the pavements. Turns out I'm a Shuffler by the way.

Peach isn't it frustrating that baby kit like that jogger tends to hold its value even when secondhand? I guess a lot of people fork out a lot of money for them new, hardly use them, and want to recoup as much of the cost as possible. We found the same with carriers. If I do manage to get up the stick again I may think about getting one as well though.

I was training for the same 10k when I got pg with DS 3 years ago. In fact I pulled out of the race on the day, because I strongly suspected I was pregnant. Then I pulled out of the Herts 10k the week after because I knew I was pregnant Smile. I think I can assume I'm not this month but will take it easy until I know at the weekend.

Welcome back Moshi I hope you had a lovely time. We're off camping in the New Forest next week. Hope you left some good weather there for me.

Hi Popbiscuit a stress fracture of the pelvis sounds Nasty! Nothing like as bad but I had a nasty time with shin splints a few years ago so I'm cautiously getting my distance up again after having 2yo DS. It's a difficult balance isn't it?, trying to remain enthusiastic, whilst not getting carried away.

Quenelle · 23/08/2011 13:42

Oh yes, and I forgot to bring a towel. So to add to the whole bootcamp experience, after my cold shower I had to dry myself with my tshirt.

rhetorician · 23/08/2011 13:47

quenelle sounds like a great run Hmm; really I think running in 2ww probably OK, hardly as if blastocyst is using your blood supply to any degree for a good while after conception.

I do wonder about running and conception for some people - all bodies react differently, and I was ttc in 2008, a year that I ran a lot (partly to deal with the stress, ironically); I do wonder in retrospect whether that had any effect - absolutely nothing happened for me. Now, it could just have been that I was too old, but I will always wonder. Not that it matters now, anyway. But clearly you have conceived before while training, so clearly not an issue for you.

Popbiscuit welcome, and glad you have de-lurked! Stress fracture sounds agonising - were you running a lot? I wondered about a baby jogger too - and would still like one...but they are very costly.

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MoshiMoshi · 23/08/2011 14:16

Potted post to keep it brief.

The thread is well and truly Garminified but that doesn't preclude non-converts to joining. So please do join us if you are a committed runner! The more the merrier. Big welcome to johnny, baby, Elllie, wiifit, orange, snowy etc.

In a bid to stop people feeling overwhelmed by the speedier ones, I think we should post all times and not feel only the faster runs deserve air time. For example, I ran some 11m/m miles in the New Forest which had some pretty steep hills and slippery gravel trails. My LSRs were nearly 9m/m. We all recognise we should be running at different paces each time to train intelligently and not try to run as fast as we can each time. Unless we are aiming to injure or overtrain ourselves! I recognise my weakness is being prone to injuries so on the LSRs and speed sessions, I keep it slower than usual, especially on uneven surfaces. But I know this is not a reflection of what I am capable of on a good dry piece of tarmac. Training is just that - training, so let's not get hung up on the number but be proud of the achievement of getting the job done for that day! The Big Focus has got to be The Race (even for you, rhet!)

wiifit - I too have the 405CX but be warned that it doesn't like getting wet so can freeze if sweaty or rained on. A huge drawback which is why it has been recently updated and may explain the reduced price of the one you bought. Other than that I am delighted with mine and it comes everywhere with me!

rhet - well done on your 10M race! 1:39 is a fantastic time! If you want to focus on improving your pace, take a look at some calculators (eg the McMillan one I posted some threads back) and plug in your 10M time to get some training paces suggested to you. You can then focus your training runs to try hit those paces. They will ideally include some speed/interval training where you run at faster than HM race pace (10K or tempo pace is probably most relevant for a HM-distance A race as you are looking at), some slower LSRs and some medium runs with HMRP miles in there.

debi - what a fright you must have had with your DS2. Luckily you avoided a trip to A&E. The last time I was there (when DC4 banged her head falling off the sofa onto the tiled floor and went all floppy), she had recovered marvellously when we arrived at the hospital and was running around with another little toddler and enjoying watching the film while we waited 4 hours to be seen...

anifrangi - welcome! I suspect the real reason you struggle on the flat is because you are so used to the fells. You will not be used to a lack of ascent or descent to determine your speed and left in a situation where it is entirely down to you to push the pace. It is often harder to maintain a speed on a completely flat course and sometimes an undulating course is easier to run well on as our muscles are challenged and respond as a result. As with all these things, practising running on the flat will improve your running on the flat. And, of course, practise running at speed from time to time to teach your body to do it on the flat!

On the topic of babies - a belated congrats to rhet and peach on those good scans. We can all too easily take for granted a good result but they can also be a time of great sadness. So pleased you are sailing through those pregnancies!

While talking pregnancies, quenelle - I used to just make sure I could always hold a conversation easily when running to keep my heart rate below 140bpm. That is still how I know if I am running easily, if I can speak a full sentence. If I am having to break my sentence but can still speak, it is probably above 140bpm and if I am only just able to utter a word, I am going around 80% and at HMRP and above. It means I can dispense with the HRM which I have always found a pain to remember.

Happy running one and all!

MoshiMoshi · 23/08/2011 14:16

ha ha ha. Wasn't exactly brief was it? Grin

rhetorician · 23/08/2011 14:22

nope, but it was sweet! am thinking of switching some races around - there's a 5k on Sept 4 (greatpinkrun) in aid of breast cancer research (DP lost a good friend to the disease, aged 30; and then instead of a weekend in Dingle (hotel rooms ?180 a night, no dinner! yikes) I will do the National Lottery half marathon in Dublin (17th Sept). I'll also get chance to throw in a couple of long runs before then too. Then the glendalough trail on Nov 5th and that will be my lot for 2011. Will probably do the Dublin series again next year, and wait until the dcs are big enough to bring camping before I start travelling off to scenic locations to run again...

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MoshiMoshi · 23/08/2011 14:23

Forgot to mention:

cest - for someone who hasn't run for a while, that is a decent clip to be running into work at. Presumably you had a backpack on? What is your current thinking for a HM? 1:40?

fanny - you too have some natural speed! Just focus on not running everywhere at the same speed so you can let your body rest and train efficiently. Recovery runs are meant to allow you to absorb training while continuing running but if you run fast all the time you will only exhaust yourself and compromise your immunity system. As someone once said to me, don't leave your best efforts on the training runs and save them for the races instead!

Pinkglow · 23/08/2011 15:36

wow this thread moves quick

I really want a garmin as my apps on my phone are not at all accurate so I have to take what they say, then go onto mapmyrun which is also not accurate as I do trail runs and you cant see most of the paths on google map as they are covered by trees. Anyway I then guess the distance I run calculating a misture of the two. Very annoying but I think I can wait till christmas to get one.

encyclogirl - I didnt like running without music, I have to have ministry of sound pumping away.

Popbiscuit - stress-fractured pelvis just sounds ouch. I met a women in a shop the other day why has torn her Archillis twice and was just getting back into running again.

DrNortherner · 23/08/2011 16:05

Welcome back Moshi, some great advice from you as always Smile

I need a concencus of opinion on my shin pain. Outside shin on right leg, felt it last Monday after doing 6 x 200m sprints round a track on a field. Got worse as week goes on. Eases off when warmed up and running, comes back when I stop. Have been icing, but is tender to touch. Pain on a scale of 1 to 10 is about a 4/5. Dh is rubbish and reckons he runs with all sorts of aches and pains and says I should man up. Opinions? I'm supposed to be at running club tonight and have a 10k race on BH Mon.....

Quenelle · 23/08/2011 16:25

Thanks for the advice Rhet and Moshi. I think I'll stop overthinking it all and just go out for a nice stress-busting run once in a while. I'm pretty sure I can get my mileage up to 10k without too much hard work - will just leave the AIs and GPs to another time.

I like the sound of a gentle run in the New Forest Moshi I will make sure I pack my running shoes and wellies next week.

orangehead · 23/08/2011 16:29

oh Debi that sounds awful. Glad he ok. When ds1 was a toodler if he got hurt or upset he would hold his reath till he passed out. I found blowing on his face as soon as he started holding his breath would shock he into breathing again. Sounds like he might of just winded himself, but if he was breath holding and happens again try blowing on his face. But hopefully wont happen again.
Popbiscuit welcome, glad you recovering.
Quenelle I know it is difficult to know what to do for the best. I was doing really well with my running. But then I kept thinking this could be the month so I calmed my running down and I didnt feel good for it and put on a few pounds. Last month I thought this is silly. This could take ages, so Im trying to increase my mileage again.
Rhet you have worried me now, I have only been running for a year and a half, the last 5 times I have got pregnant I was a lazy cow in terms of fitness Blush
A friend has offered to have the boys tomorrow so think I will try a 10k.

rhetorician · 23/08/2011 17:02

orangehead - really, I wouldn't worry - I was really quite ancient and probably had just missed my chance. As long as cycles are regular etc (or regular for you, IYSWIM) I think there's nothing to worry about...

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MoshiMoshi · 23/08/2011 17:31

DrNo - sounds like the start of shin splints possibly? Don't panic though as it sounds minor if you say 4/10. I get glimmers of it happening again to me having had it through my last marathon campaign and would probably put it around 2/3 out of 10. Because I know the cause for me, I find I can continue to run as long as I address the cause. So far this has worked for me but we shall see whether it continues to work! I strongly suggest you work out what is causing it? For me, it is tight calves which require extra stretching to alleviate the resulting pull on the front when I run. And I know I get tight calves as I am a forefoot runner which puts additional strain on my calves. I am also an overpronater and this can make shins take on added strain when running higher mileage. So take everything into account, think about it and then see if you can address each of the elements. And then use plenty of ice when not running along the front of your shin where it hurts. Freeze those tiny yoghurt pots (with water) and that sort of size ice cube should be enough for an icing session. Do not continue with the same amount of running, and no speed training, if the pain is more than 4/10 and you reckon it is not abating. I think you may need to splash out on a physio then.

MoshiMoshi · 23/08/2011 17:34

PS DrNo - there are aches and pains resulting from breaking down the fibres when training which is necessary to then build back up again to be able to take your body to the next level (a nice tiredness), and there are aches and pains which are unrelated to that which are probably biomechanical issues and more likely to be early signs of latent injuries which if ignored will change from acute pains to chronic pains which are much harder to get rid of.

Popbiscuit · 23/08/2011 20:11

Thanks for the welcomes, all.
Dr.No. I've not had shin splints so I can't speak to that directly but from what I understand pain that eases up during activity is muscle related and pain that gets progressively worse during activity is bone. Have you tried foam rolling? Ice bath? Definitely ease off if it's getting worse. A couple of extra rest days can sometimes sort the problem out.

Wiifitmama · 23/08/2011 20:32

Well, I am truely garminified! I did my first run tonight with the Garmin and despite a shakey start trying to work out how to use the thing, it was really good. I still have a lot of learning to do with it, but I have uploaded my run to Garmin Connect and had fun analysing it. I ran my runkeeper app at the same time tonight to compare the distance and was pleased that the Garmin (which I assume is more accurate) had me running further than the Runkeeper did. On the negative side, using the heart rate monitor meant my calorie burn was much more accurate and sadly a lot less! Oh well!

DebiTheScot · 23/08/2011 22:06

Thanks for all the comments earlier. DS was quieter than usuall this morning but normal by lunchtime and fine the rest of the day so I'm fairly sure he just winded himself. He was taking very short sharp breaths so not holding his breath but not getting any air in. I took longer to recover than he did!

wifit we've had it for 2 years and this is the first accident, he's usually good at lifting it to go over the raised bit. Later on I caught him trying to take it up the stairs!
Glad you had a successful garmin run. I find it longer than runkeeper too- if you look closely at the runkeeper man you'll see it's because it cuts corners due to not getting a signal so quickly. Did you realise you can upload your garmin map and times onto runkeeper?

I went out this eve and as it was a bit later than I planned and drizzly and dark I didn't want to be out for too long figured I'd better run fast. I did 4.5 miles and tried to really push it for mile 2 and 4. I'd never upped my pace for a whole mile before and mile 2 was 7:48 which is probably my fastest ever. Mile 4 had a short steep uphill and busy road to cross at the start so I meant to check the time and distance after I crossed the road to start the mile from there but forgot and that mile was 8:30. Overall an average of 8:37m/m which must be my fastest ever.

Slight moan about my 205. It sometimes takes forever to find a signal.

DebiTheScot · 23/08/2011 22:06

runkeeper map!

rhetorician · 23/08/2011 22:15

great running debi - I have a 205 as well, and mostly it's very quick to pick up a signal even under trees/around buildings, but it does occasionally get stuck and take ages, especially if I am hopping about...

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futurity · 24/08/2011 07:27

My 305 can take an age to get a signal...did an entire running club run once with it "locating satellites"! Generally though I learn to leave it outside my front door whilst I get my shoes on and that's normally long enough by the time I have fussed around getting ready.

stickylittlefingers · 24/08/2011 10:19

hello everyone! Have been out for a tempo run this morning. Started off very slowly, until I got to the nice flat railway track, then alternated between a 6m/km and a 6.30m/km for the next 6k, then slowly again home. It went well :) And I felt fine, really well in fact, so I'm very happy :) :)

One thing (or two things) that might have helped is that I took moshi's recommendation for the isogel - I tend to run first thing, so breakfast isn't really an option. So had a gel before I went out. Then (really because the gels were on offer at the Feedstation website, and I wanted to get free postage) I also have got some recovery drink powder. It tastes quite nice, and I think has made be feel less flaked out for dealing with the rest of the day. It's got lots of vitamins and minerals in, so hopefully is doing me good.

And I've just been having fun now creating The Ultimate Playlist, which is going to make me run superfast Wink. Haven't seen the DDs for a bit now, so better go see what they're doing...

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