Brexit mega thread part 15a - looking forwards

[Talkinpeace]

Just rebooting the most recent thread

At the moment the UKs issues are rather over shadowed by events elsewhere
but maybe that is a good thing.

The German election on Sunday is worth watching
Right wing European politicians pulling out of CPAC speeches because they realise its not a good look
Farage floundering to stay relevant

and the possibility of the return of free movement for our kids if not us

Relations between mainland Europe and the UK remain a worthy topic for discussion

Maybe we can ask the latest 3 men arrested on suspicion of assisting Russia's foreign intelligence service?

@DuncinToffee

Maybe we can ask the latest 3 men arrested on suspicion of assisting Russia's foreign intelligence service?

Whats stopping you?

@Talkinpeace

Still waiting for you to explain how you were able to segregate people into those who voted for Brexit and those who did not and come to the conclusion those who voted leave are worse off than those who voted remain.

The studies all show that most of those who voted for Brexit were the uneducated and poor. They have been more done over by Brexit than the wealthy and educated.

It's not rocket surgery...

@MaybeNotBob

The studies all show that most of those who voted for Brexit were the uneducated and poor

Where are these studies?

If what you allege is correct, then most of the 498 (77% of Parliament) MPs who voted to trigger Article 50 in 2017 are uneducated and poor 🤔.

Your primary school debating skills are really coming to the fore, aren't they...

Globe definitely lives in the past and has not got its webcam switched on

@MaybeNotBob
@Talkinpeace

Again, the questions are not answered and backed up with evidence. These threads are not debates, but the same remain lines since 2016 such as:

People were lied to because remain say so.

Those who voted leave are; racist, thick, low education and poor because remain so.

There are no Brexit benefits because remain say so.

If people can’t disprove what remain say, it proves what remain say is correct.

Globe is just filling the thread with unicorns 🦄

Someone still needs to believe in Brexit.

@DuncinToffee

Globe is just filling the thread with unicorns

Again, the questions are not answered.

You follow the same pattern as others. Once backed into a corner and asked to provide proof of the statements made, there are references made to:

Unicorns
Web cams
Primary school
Racism
Thick

Meanwhile the questions remain unanswered and evidence is never provided.

If you see racism on this thread, please report it.

Globe keeps harking back to votes many years ago
and ignores the multiple reports about Russian intereference in elections over the last few years
and the reports into the recent economic harms of brexit
all of which have been linked many times.
Its really very dull
and I may well move on to other topics

Globe, you never answer any questions, so it's a bit ironic, to put it kindly, for you to insist that everyone else does.

As for your "have you asked everyone in the country" questions - just grow the fuck up!

There are no Brexit benefits because remain say so.

I really shouldn't rise to the bait, but here goes:
What are they? Why is it that no Brexiter can tell us?
I believe VAT on independent school fees might be the result of not being in the EU, but since that doesn't affect the majority of people it's debatable whether it's classed as a benefit.

One benefit would have been if it had shut Farage up, but that hasn't happened.

Ah, more winning...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-uk-eu-world-travel-tourism-council-economy-b2854505.html

@Peregrina

I really shouldn't rise to the bait, but here goes:
What are they? Why is it that no Brexiter can tell us?

Same reply as was given to DuncinToffee. There have been many threads on MN that have asked for Brexit benefits. The most recent I remember was in December 2023 titled Can someone give me one benefit of Brexit.

Many posters examples of how they have gained from Brexit. Prior to that post there been many other threads asking the same question as recorded by the poster PotBellies with:

Fxxx me, for a moment I thought we would get all the way to Wednesday before this weekly thread came up.
^^
Op, you forgot to say “genuine question” in your opener.

So, why don’t you read them instead of applying the logic

If it’s not a benefit for me, it can’t be a benefit to anyone.

@MaybeNotBob

The WTTC head office in London has approximately 440 employees. Hardly multinational numbers.

Also, they are a nonprofit organisation. So, no corporate tax revenue for the UK.

The factors behind the intended move are; lower operating, tax and recruitment costs and access to EU single market. So, of the four reasons given for the move, Brexit is one of them as opposed to being the sole reason as indicated in the Independent.

The locations under consideration are; Spain, Italy and Switzerland (not in the EU).

Source: Travel Weekly October 2025 08:21 GMT

Ooh, that's me told...🙄

Being in the EU wasn't a benefit to Globe so they voted to stop it benefitting others.

Or so they say.

@Talkinpeace

The last general election was 4 July 2024. That does not constitute many years ago.

The outcome was that the current Parliament has 538 MPs from pro Brexit parties. An increase of 40 from the 498 who voted to leave the EU in 2017.

In 2017, Farage received 594K votes. Seven years later in 2024 he received 4.1 million votes. Almost a seven fold increase.

Meanwhile, over the same period, both the Conservative and Labour parties have received fewer votes since Brexit. The Liberal Democrat’s faired a little better with an increase of 1.1 million votes over the seven years period from 2.4 million to 3.5 million, but still below that of reform.

"Pro Brexit Parties"
ODFOD

You may be in luck - Iain Dale featured this book on LBC a few days ago - 75 Brexit Benefits by Gully Foyle - the author was interviewed on his show. One for your Christmas stocking?

https://www.politicos.co.uk/products/75-brexit-benefits-by-gully-foyle-coming-1-oct

Also available from Amazon and Blackwell's Bookshop.

He found 10 more than Global Britain

Shame that it has cost the UK dearly. Here is a toast with a pint of champagne 🍾

And it's already been definitively debunked;

https://gully-foyle-debunked.co.uk/

There, I've saved you money on having to buy the book! I've given everyone more benefits than Brexit...

https://www.thenewworld.co.uk/jonty-bloom-the-worst-pro-brexit-book-ever-written/

Closing paragrapghs

I know this is not supposed to be a balanced book – it boasts of not being so, and claims to be a counterweight to Remoaners’ continued negativity. But if this is the best that its supporters can come up with, I am afraid it counts more as another condemnation of the enormous level of self-inflicted harm that Brexit has forced on us. It tells a sad tale about how far from the real world its diminishing band of supporters still are.

In future, Gully Foyle might be best advised to stick to science fiction. There, you can invent whole fantasy worlds, defy reality and escape the tiresome binds of real life, and everyone thinks you are being perfectly normal.

75 Brexit Benefits by Gully Foyle is published by ‎Bruges Group

Where is 31 to 75 'debunked' and the published book?

Roadmap
Work began work [sic] on debunking the list on 14th May 2025.
10 on the list will be debunked each week until complete.
After completion, a foreward and index will be written for the book.
We will then self publish the book, digitally and in-print, for Summer 2025.

1-10 > 16th May 2025 > COMPLETE
11-20 > 23rd May 2025 > COMPLETE
21-30 > 30th May 2025 > COMPLETE
31-40 > 6th June 2025

41-50 > 13th June 2025
51-60 > 20th June 2025
61-75 > 27th June 2025

Your link also highlights this report in its introduction;
London Assembly report, Loss to UK economy due to Brexit
£140 billion (as of 2023)

That report has been criticised/debunked by Brexiteers and Remainers alike:

Jan 2024
Sadiq Khan’s Brexit figures are straight out of fantasyland.
The Mayor of London claims leaving the EU has already cost £140bn. Is he right?
City Hall's modelling fails the basic test of common sense. In fact, it's inexcusably shoddy.
'Sadiqland’ would have grown more than America, and twice as quickly as France.

https://capx.co/sadiq-khans-brexit-figures-are-straight-out-of-fantasyland

Jan 2024
Sadiq Khan gave a speech at Mansion House last night in which he claimed that the UK is suffering from a “cost of Brexit crisis”. The speech was accompanied by a report which claims that Brexit will have “cost” the UK economy £311bn by 2035.
This is a claim so egregious it deserves to be printed on the side of the bus and driven around the country by Boris Johnson. It relies on modelling that even pro-Remain economists I’ve spoken to say is questionable at best.
London’s growth since leaving the EU has been strong: a recent report from the Mayor’s own economists, GLA Economics, found the capital’s economic output is now 7.7 per cent above pre-pandemic levels. This doesn’t line up with Khan’s claim last night that London’s economy has “shrunk by more than £30bn” as a result of Brexit.
But it is the report’s forward projections of Brexit’s impact that are most fantastical...
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/brexit/2024/01/sadiq-khan-brexit-baloney-wont-fix-economy