Brexit mega thread part 15a - looking forwards

[Talkinpeace]

Just rebooting the most recent thread

At the moment the UKs issues are rather over shadowed by events elsewhere
but maybe that is a good thing.

The German election on Sunday is worth watching
Right wing European politicians pulling out of CPAC speeches because they realise its not a good look
Farage floundering to stay relevant

and the possibility of the return of free movement for our kids if not us

Relations between mainland Europe and the UK remain a worthy topic for discussion

We should join then

I knew Trump would be bad
but in my worst dreams did not think this bad.

Europe (including the UK) need to pull together hard and fast
we cannot rely on the Japanese to bomb Hawaii this time.

Im getting this depressing thought that Starmer will align himself with Trump rather than the EU. Is it just me, or is the world looking really bloody bleak? :(

Unlikely.

It will be interesting to see how having the Tate brothers in the USA will play out though.

Yesterdays events in the Oval Office
make excellent relations between the UK and the EU absolutely imperative.

Tomorrow's meeting with Zelensky and EU leaders (with the Baltics hopefully invited as well)
will be interesting.

If the EU wants the Ukraine to be an EU member, they can defend the Ukraine at their own cost. There is nothing to be gained by the UK assisting Ukraine to become EU member.

Trump is correct to say that US military support is unlimited and free of charge. The only reason Zelenskyy wants the war to continue is to keep siphoning off money from other countries.

Starmer is incapable of stopping dingies arriving on UK shores, so why does he think he can stop Russian tanks crossing the border into the Ukraine?

Trump’s decision to apply tariffs on the EU, but not on the UK should tell Starmer that UK is being given the choice of either the EU or the US.

This is such unadulterated nonsense that I can't even bother to pick it apart...

Interesting, GlobeTrotter2000 chooses to incorrectly name Ukraine, a sovereign state, and prefers the Russian form of adding 'The'.
Is Ukraine a sovereign state?

Grok talks garbage again.

The weekends events have done more to push the UK back towards the EU than anything since 2016

I have to say the Starmer's deals for Ukraine have been absolute belters

• a loan entirely funded by seized funds
• a missile deal where all the jobs and profits will be in the UK

The mask always slips

@Talkinpeace

The cost of the Ukraine war is estimated at USD 320 billion over three years. So, a loan of £2.2 billion from the UK from seized Russian funds would support the continuation of the war by 10 days at the most.

That Zelensky is not prepared to provide accountability of how funds have been spent is a giveaway that he is siphoning off for his own benefit. This ties in with his statement that the end of the war is far away. The longer it lasts, the more money he can siphon.

Starmer has acknowledged that peace is not possible without US backstop. Since that statement, Trump has halted aid.

The weekends events have done more to push the UK back towards the EU than anything since 2016

How will a 25% tariff on UK exports to the US be beneficial to the UK?

Globe,
switch off the AI and read what people are actually saying.

US tariffs will hardly affect the UK as our primary exports are intangibles and services

@Talkinpeace

US tariffs will hardly affect the UK as our primary exports are intangibles and services

The US is the UK’s largest export market for goods and represents 16% of all UK goods exported. More than double than that with Germany.

The 25% tariff applied by the US on the EU has not been applied to the UK. The EU has not imposed reciprocal tariffs on the US as they are afraid the US will quit NATO.

As soon as US halted aid for the Ukraine, Zelensky bowed. So, he is obviously aware that without US support, the EU would not be able to provide any defence against Russia. After all, it does not take a genius to work out that the EU 600 nukes are no match for Putin’s 6,000.

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After all, it does not take a genius to work out that the EU 600 nukes are no match for Putin’s 6,000.

How many did Ukraine give up in exchange for US and Russian "guarantees" ?

and actually once you get beyond 10 nukes, all else is irrelevant

We don't actually know what state Putin's nukes are in. Some of them could well be non functional.

@Talkinpeace

The Agreement you refer to was made in 1994. Long before the EU’s expansion into Eastern Europe (which a lot of was former USSR) commenced in 2006 and suggestions Ukraine may become a NATO member.

Putin did not appreciate slowly becoming ring fenced. So, he prevented it by breaking into the Ukraine.

The US and the EU thought they could sanction Russia into a quick retreat via sanctions, but after three years it had made no difference. Trump realised that Russia would win by attrition in the same manner as they defeated Germany in WW2. Even without superior numbers of nuclear weapons, their vast number of land based weapons would soon overcome the EU if there was no support from the US.

So, its a big win for Putin as he has proved to the World that neither the US or the EU are the economic superpowers they thought they were.

Likewise, it’s a good example of how the EU is a failed model. The US, because they are not a committee of 27 countries pulling in different directions, was able to achieve in a few weeks what the EU had failed to do in three years. So, Trumps decision not to invite the EU to the table was correct.

Had the UK/EU been allowed to take the lead, the war would have continued until both the UK/EU went bankrupt. They sent money to the Ukraine, but at the same time bought gas from Russia. ie funding both combatants at the same time.

Still using Kremlin speak

UKRAINE without 'the'

Yep, blatant Russian propaganda...

Presumably MNHQ don't give a shit.

It gets better. Trump has stated that the EU should defend itself and not be reliant on US aid.

Makes sense to me. After all why should the US be held accountable for a war triggered by the EU’s eastward expansion?

Stammer and Macaroni still don’t understand why the EU was excluded from peace talks. They can’t control their own borders. So, what makes them think they can control other borders?

If Stammer and Macaroni, or anyone else from the EU, turns up in the US, Trump’s reply should be:

“Who invited you?”

I can see why using AI was the better choice

NATOs longest land border with Russia is now in Finland.
How is Zelensky to blame for that ?

I appear to have broken the AI.

It is good that Europe is pulling together to fight for its own survival.
Starmer has odd instincts
but I have hope

Don't be silly @Talkinpeace : it's clearly Zelenskyy's fault because he had the temerity to resist Russia's friendly advances and by doing so, forced Finland to join NATO