Active discussions

Meet the Other Phone. A phone that grows with your child.

Meet the Other Phone.
A phone that grows with your child.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Talk
Brexit
Original poster

Brexit MegaThread - part 14

1000 replies

Peregrina · 27/07/2024 23:43

Thread 13. We had a debate about whether there should be a new one but if no one answers this the whole series after 8 years plus will come to their end.

Brexit happened, although one time Leavers do not seem to appreciate this.
It's worth noting I think that Brexit was a Tory initiative and the Tory party has just received its worse electoral thrashing since 1832. Could it be entirely unrelated?

What next? A gradual rapprochement with the EU? A Norway style agreement?

OP posts:
Thread gallery
134
MaybeNotBob · 07/01/2025 15:14

There have been many replies. But you ignore them and keep asking the same question.

As I have said, you are not here to engage in reasonable debate. You know this, we know this, anyone else reading can see this.

Original poster
Peregrina · 07/01/2025 15:15

The OP started this thread by asking if the conservatives worst result since 1832 was due to Brexit being initiated by themselves.

Not what I asked. I asked whether it was entirely unrelated. In truth, I would imagine it was a multiplicity of problems which gave the Tories their absolute drubbing. As far as residents in the South East go, where the Lib Dems did well, I suspect that Johnson Tories throwing out the moderate pro Remain members made some switch to the Lib Dems.

OP posts:
Talkinpeace · 07/01/2025 15:23

@Peregrina
Absolutely on the moderate Tories or lack thereof in the last election.
Also superb tactics by Labour and the Libdems in encouraging Reform to split the right wing vote for the minimum of effort.
Farridge has STILL not set up a constituency office or carried out an elector surgery meeting.
Twonks like Lowe forget that they are coat tail riders who were loathed in certain previous jobs.

Zonder · 07/01/2025 15:34

Peregrina · 07/01/2025 14:51

I don't think it could be said that Labour was either pro or anti Brexit. Their most notable position was sitting on the fence. Now Starmer is presumably trying to stave off the threat to the Red Wall seats from Reform. But we have Brexitted, which GlobeTrotter appears to have missed.

This

Zonder · 07/01/2025 15:35

I wonder how the good people of Clacton feel about that @Talkinpeace

DuncinToffee · 07/01/2025 16:10

Zonder · 07/01/2025 15:35

I wonder how the good people of Clacton feel about that @Talkinpeace

Probably blaming the people who didn't vote Lib Dems.....

FrankieStein403 · 09/01/2025 10:59

2019 was a relatively short time after the lib dems (in the 2010-15 coalition) had shown themselves to be willing to junk any policy for 'power'

There was never any chance that the lib dems could form a government so labour were the only alternative to mitigate the extreme brexit lined up by the tories.

2019 was won on the lie that the brexit shenanigans could be ended.

The original vote was so close it was 'we want to be a little bit out' - nothing like what depfeffel et al forced through.

MaybeNotBob · 10/01/2025 10:21

Look a these "patriotic" Brexshiteers and their sovereignty...

Brexit MegaThread - part 14
LouiseCollins28 · 10/01/2025 13:17

Zonder · 07/01/2025 15:34

This

Show quote history

The Labour party in Parliament were (and are) almost totally anti-Brexit, IMO. Labour's voters are a different matter but we'll see how that shakes out at the next GE when it will be Labour's record in government being judged and not the Conservatives or the Lib Dems.

In the short term at least it's looking like there will be some significant economic challenges for the new government to address. Just like after December 2019 when were into a pandemic 3 months later, it seems unlikely that the opportunities afforded by leaving the EU will be maximised. Doesn't look like the new government want want to do that anyway.

MaybeNotBob · 10/01/2025 14:21

Ah, those wonderful mythical "opportunities"...

GlobeTrotter2000 · 13/01/2025 12:29

@Peregrina

Labour were most definitely anti-Brexit in the 2019 general election. Watch Emily Thornberry on the BBC Question Time episode 5 September 2019. She stated that if she became foreign secretary, she would get the best Brexit deal (which was to be in both the CU and SM) for the economy and jobs, but then campaign to remain!

In the same episode, Layla Moran of the LibDems, stated very clearly that Article 50 would be revoked if they were elected.

@FrankieStein403

To, those who have stated they did not vote for LibDems because they would not be able to form a government in 2019, the response is both simple and irrefutable:

No party will ever be able to form a government if people don’t vote for them.

@MaybeNotBob

In 2017, Sir Jacob Rees-Mogg estimated it could take 50 years for Brexit to achieve its full potential. At that time none of the events that have happened since the beginning of 2020 were known. COVID, Wars in Ukraine and Gaza, Trumps being re-elected.

However, despite those events, the UK has been able to make new trade deals. Poverty Germany is greater than that in the UK. UK unemployment has reduced since 2016.

MaybeNotBob · 13/01/2025 12:42

Oh yes, those wonderful trade deals that have the rest of the world laughing at us!

Zonder · 13/01/2025 14:39

Exactly @MaybeNotBob - those trade deals that aren't a patch on what we had in the EU!

DuncinToffee · 13/01/2025 15:08

And many of these deals were only Memorandum of Understanding

GlobeTrotter2000 · 14/01/2025 10:20

The UK still trades with the EU.

The World consists of approx 195 countries. So, please provide your evidence that 194 are laughing at the UK.

In 2016, the only EU member that had a larger GDP than the UK was Germany. In 2025, it’s the same.

The UK makes into the top 10 list for median wealth per adult. Interestingly, of the top 10, only 3 are from the EU, Luxembourg, Belgium and Denmark.

I would say the figures for both Belgium and Luxembourg are distorted as much of it is due to EU admin. Denmark has some of the most strict immigration policies in the EU as evidenced by the mere 85,000 who immigrate to Denmark. So, well done to Denmark for keeping immigration under control.

Also, in the top 10 are the three countries who have said they will not join the EU; Iceland, Switzerland and Norway.

France is 12th. Germany is 30th which is below the EU average of 27th in the World.

US is 15th and yet think they are the Worlds police.

DuncinToffee · 14/01/2025 10:38

EEA, single market

Talkinpeace · 14/01/2025 11:23

Yup, and loving the fact that we will need visas from this summer and to allow an extra travel day for the queues at customs

borntobequiet · 14/01/2025 11:23

The UK still trades with the EU.

On less favourable terms than it used to, and less than it used to.

How this can be thought a good thing is beyond me.

Zonder · 14/01/2025 11:28

borntobequiet · 14/01/2025 11:23

The UK still trades with the EU.

On less favourable terms than it used to, and less than it used to.

How this can be thought a good thing is beyond me.

Precisely.

The UK makes into the top 10 list for median wealth per adult
This is more because our billionaire population has increased both in number and wealth, than any kind of general improvement in wealth across the population.

MaybeNotBob · 14/01/2025 18:48

The UK still trades with the EU.

Don't you love those Straw Men? They just blow away at the slightest breeze...

GlobeTrotter2000 · 15/01/2025 10:15

UK Polls from 2013 to 2016 forecast that a referendum on EU membership would produce a remain result. They were wrong.

For evidence, refer to the thread titled:

one positive of Brexit

Please create an account

To comment on this thread you need to create a Mumsnet account.

Join Mumsnet Log In
This thread is not accepting new messages.
Swipe left for the next trending thread