Brexit MegaThread - part 14

[Peregrina]

Thread 13. We had a debate about whether there should be a new one but if no one answers this the whole series after 8 years plus will come to their end.

Brexit happened, although one time Leavers do not seem to appreciate this.
It's worth noting I think that Brexit was a Tory initiative and the Tory party has just received its worse electoral thrashing since 1832. Could it be entirely unrelated?

What next? A gradual rapprochement with the EU? A Norway style agreement?

It seems that Farage - although quite happy and prepared to blame the mess of Brexit on the Tories - is now in the amusing position of needing rejoiner votes if he wants Reform to progress.

You really couldn't make it up.

So any association of Farage with Brexit is a disincentive to that large swathe of voters.

Meanwhile the Tories are welcome to continue chasing the diminishing scraps of Brexiteer tears.

Farage was kept away from speaking at the farmer's protest, he was dressed up and all

Brexit is biting the UK in the bum.
It is biting Ireland in the bum.
It is biting mainland Europe in the bum
and Trump's cabinet will fart in our general direction.

See also recent polling about US Citizen's faith in Putin not matching that of the orange one.

If I was bringing Farage on stage, I would make a point of outroducing him as the man we can thank for the success of Brexit.

I suspect if you introduced him as that, he'd walk off.

Farage is most definitely the individual responsible more than any other for the current state of Brexit

and he's so modest. Letting Boris and the Tories take credit ...

The S*n is launching a 'don't betray brexit' campaign, Frosty is having a difficult time 😂

"Labour’s unnecessary reset negotiation with the EU will achieve nothing useful.'"

according to a 5 year review written by, checks note, one Lord Frost

They needed worry. We will keep the good bits. VAT on private schools in particular.

@SerendipityJane

Seems Nigel Farage is increasingly reluctant to be in any room where there is a danger of Brexit being discussed.

I suggest you watch the 5 December 2024 episode of BBC question time. Nigel Farage was in the panel and confirmed to Alastair Campbell of Labour that he wanted to talk about Brexit.

To All,

Nigel Farage was not a MP until 4 July 2024, seven years after 498 MPs voted to trigger Article 50.

As he explained on 5 December 2024 episode of BBC question time, UK has not used the powers granted by Brexit to bring immigration under control.

On the 28 November 2024 episode of BBC question time, Lisa Nandy of Labour acknowledged that immigration into the UK needed to be reduced. Also, Sir Jacob Rees Mogg acknowledged that the previous conservative government failed to meet the immigration targets.

Labour’s manifesto stated that the previous conservative allowed too many people into the UK.

Globetrotter seems to forget that Nigel Farage represented UKIP in the European Parliament, so the implied attempts to say that Brexit is nothing to do with him, is absolute hogwash. But the fact that he is Mr Brexit and he's trying to distance himself from it now, tells you that Brexit has failed.

(Cue Globetrotter coming back with another history lesson, which few of us need because we have all lived through the last few years.)

I think people were a little too kind. More like a 386SX ...

Globe also forgets which esteemed MEP was supposed to speak up for UK fishermen for decades (and was paid handsomely for skiving off the job)

Make it a 486 DX4 100MHz or a first generation Pentium I would take them off your hands But of course Brexit trade obstacles makes it difficult to ship from the UK:

You need to burn this mantra into your mind: '"AI" doesn't know anything'. It never has, and it never will. It can perform near miracles summarising and analysing the internet to distil into a wordcake of your liking. But it doesn't know what it has returned.

All of which being said, that isn't so different from the sort of person who parrots a 3 word slogan without the faintest hint of what it means.

"Take back control".
"Make America Great"
"Points make prizes"
"Get brexit done"

I would say "you know who you are". However that is they key issue here: they don't.

It's all ok, we can now celebrate that whilst it is bad, it is not quite as bad as expected, well at least not in the short run, longer term doesn't look as rosy

https://www.ft.com/content/2a5e02bf-0f06-4fd8-abd7-742257c0acde

Merry Christmas to @GlobeTrotter2000 and all their friends.

Not a helpful tip if Duncan is correct and the only two types of people who exist in the UK are:

rejoiners
begretters

Wonder if Brexit Mega thread 68 million ever appears with 68 million unique usernames?

On thread 68 million, we will still be waiting to see the benefits of Brexit and sovereignity will have been sold to a foreign space x

Happy New Year all

Chris Grey is still worth reading even after all these years
https://chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.com/2024/12/where-is-post-brexit-britain.html

Gibraltar border is still not working

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-cost-statistics-numbers-five-years-eu-b2667149.html

All going so well...

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/flashback-to-when-tommy-robinson-sneaked-out-of-election-count-after-securing-just-2-2-of-vote-387892/

Well, with Iceland looking at a referendum (I bet it won't be legal if it's 52%-48%) - this isn't too far from reality...

https://www.economist.com/europe/2025/01/02/why-canada-should-join-the-eu

@DuncinToffee

On thread 68 million, we will still be waiting to see the benefits of Brexit and sovereignity will have been sold to a foreign space.

The best people to explain the benefits are:

The 498 UK MPs who triggered Article 50 on 29 March 2017, and;

Those who voted remain in 2016, but did not vote for the LibDems in the 2019 general election. An action which would have resulted in no Brexit.

@Peregrina

Nigel Farage was not entitled to vote on 29 March 2017 as he was not a UK MP. Being an MEP and a member of the UKIP party did not allow him to vote.

If you watch the 28 Nov 2024 episode of BBC question time you will see Sir Jacob Rees-Mogg acknowledge that conservatives lost the general election because they had failed to achieve the immigration targets.

On the 5 Dec 2024 episode, Conservative Party panelist acknowledged the same.

Farage repeated the same.

Those who voted remain in 2016, but did not vote for the LibDems in the 2019 general election. An action which would have resulted in no Brexit.

Few people vote on a single issue. As much as I was against Brexit I still couldn't bring myself to vote Lib Dem.