Brexit MegaThread - part 14

[Peregrina]

Thread 13. We had a debate about whether there should be a new one but if no one answers this the whole series after 8 years plus will come to their end.

Brexit happened, although one time Leavers do not seem to appreciate this.
It's worth noting I think that Brexit was a Tory initiative and the Tory party has just received its worse electoral thrashing since 1832. Could it be entirely unrelated?

What next? A gradual rapprochement with the EU? A Norway style agreement?

ChatGPT not recognising France and Poland?

As I have said as nauseum, "AI" doesn't know squat. All it does - impressively fast and wide - is clever pattern matching.

It's entirely possible that is all real intelligence is - only a few order of magnitude better, But if that's the case, then humans are merely sophisticated bots. Which rather does for freewill.

If you ever need to end a discussion on "AI", just get your antagonist to define intelligence ....

@MaybeNotBob that list is just going to make me cry…

@Peregrina

Stamps in passports are being phased out with the introduction of the EES. I used it last week in Schiphol.

Very efficient I would say as by the time I had got to the baggage hall my luggage had still not appeared. So, no time lost due to the EES.

So another Leaver crows about how they have kicked us in the teeth.

Meanwhile 8 years on, we are still waiting for the Benefits.
If there had been any - Gove, Raab, etc wouldn't have run away at the last election and Rees-Mogg would have comfortably been re-elected.

What kind of passport needed stamps at Schiphol airport?

My long standing Blue one always has.

I got stamped everywhere
such that we used to blag officers at small border points to stamp my kids purple ones for fun

Oh...

Yay!

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-britain-reeves-budget-b2639584.html

Are we enjoying the shadow cabinet appointments ?

Priti Patel is shadow foreign secretary

Must have been like choosing first violin for the band on the Titanic.

When all you have left in the orchestra is viola players

@Peregrina

Meanwhile 8 years on, we are still waiting for the Benefits.

Once again, you conveniently forget that between 2016 and 2024 the following events which rocked the World and have not yet been fully recovered from:

2020 - 2022 COVID
2022 to date Russia invades Ukraine
2023 to date Israel and Gaza

If there had been any - Gove, Raab, etc wouldn't have run away at the last election and Rees-Mogg would have comfortably been re-elected.

Again, flawed logic. The above named persons were replaced by Labour MPs when they won the election with 412 seats. Never forget that it's Labour policy not rejoin the EU.

If rejoining the EU is what the UK electorate wants, the LibDems would have won the 2019 general election easily. They did not. Nor did they win the 2024 general election.

@DuncinToffee

What kind of passport needed stamps at Schiphol airport?

The only passports that can use the self service scan at Schiphol and do not need stamps are EU/EEA and Switzerland. The EES will eventually phase out stamps, but you still need to explain to passport controllers why you are entering

@MaybeNotBob

In 2016, the UK treasury forecast that by 2018Q3;

4% drop in GDP
500,000-800,000 jobs would be lost

Never happened.

I am confused about the stamps

The EES will phase out the need for stamps that Brexit introduced?

@DuncinToffee
The AI has clearly never actually BEEN on a ferry or through an airport
so does not realise that passports are physical books with multiple pages
and funky visas glued in.

Wait till it encounters the "through travel" slips that some countries staple in for tourists.

GlobeTrotter2000

Meanwhile 8 years on, we are still waiting for the Benefits.
Once again, you conveniently forget that between 2016 and 2024 the following events which rocked the World and have not yet been fully recovered from:

2020 - 2022 COVID

Far from it since my husband died of COVID

2022 to date Russia invades Ukraine
2023 to date Israel and Gaza

Your arithmetic is amiss. What happened in the years between 2016 - 2022? The Brexiters had ample time to start working for the benefits they wanted.

Gove and Raab did not stand for election - they cleared out before hand, did a bunk, ran away. Oh so very noble of them. If Brexit had been a success they would have been crowing to the rooftops. They were still relatively young for politicians and could have gone on for another twenty years. Jeremy Hunt rather surprisingly won. Who is to say that they wouldn't have done if they had bothered to put their names forward?
I will give Rees-Mogg his due, he was at least prepared to try to defend his seat.

So where are those Brexit benefits?

If anyone is following the fortunes of Brexit backing counties

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14042921/Cornish-holiday-dying-two-tourist-destinations-close.html

TBH Cornwall's woes were because too many people charged too much for rooms.
Its why I switched to South Wales
fab beaches, fab food, less traffic, half the price

Cornwall thought short term, they thought they could gouge holidaymakers, without thinking that that would put them off from returning. Much as there was no long-term thinking going on when they voted for Brexshit.

And, in other news, Bad Enoch admits that they promised a Brexshit that they couldn't deliver;

https://x.com/Femi_Sorry/status/1853176131589226840

Farridge must be happy

and Vlad

Oh yes. The VFM / ROI on Putin's scheme is astounding.

Worrying for Taiwan and TSMC

Probably time for the EU to step up out of America's shadow and do some leadership.

That will piss Brexiteers off right royally though.

Good luck with that. EvdLs "congratulations" tweet to President Elect Trump was terse to say the least. If she's leading the EU anywhere I'm just thanking my lucky stars I'm not following behind her.