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Can someone give me one benefit of Brexit.

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Tulipsroses · 05/12/2023 18:54

It's going to be 4 years since we withdrew our membership in European Union. Apart from the passport colour (some people might prefer) can anyone name one positive change which happened since then.

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Daftasabroom · 07/12/2023 15:24

You know we could have had different colour passports while in the EU?

TooBigForMyBoots · 07/12/2023 15:28

WorldGlobeTrotter · 07/12/2023 15:15

It's was our fault that we stop and think about who we believed. I mean Farage, Johnson, Corbyn and Trump come on!

So, I will ask again.

If people thought they had been lied to about Brexit, what prevented them from voting in the LibDems to ensure Brexit would be cancelled?

What was in the LibDem manifesto that was so horrible which justified giving up the opportunity to cancel Brexit?

No Lib Dems in my constituency.

jgw1 · 07/12/2023 15:35

WorldGlobeTrotter · 07/12/2023 15:15

It's was our fault that we stop and think about who we believed. I mean Farage, Johnson, Corbyn and Trump come on!

So, I will ask again.

If people thought they had been lied to about Brexit, what prevented them from voting in the LibDems to ensure Brexit would be cancelled?

What was in the LibDem manifesto that was so horrible which justified giving up the opportunity to cancel Brexit?

They don't know what a woman is?

jgw1 · 07/12/2023 15:35

Daftasabroom · 07/12/2023 15:24

You know we could have had different colour passports while in the EU?

I'd like a rainbow coloured passport, was that permitted while we were in the EU?

Daftasabroom · 07/12/2023 15:35

WorldGlobeTrotter · 07/12/2023 10:59

I know lots of companies that moved to the Netherlands. So it's been a big benefit for the Netherlands

And yet Shell wnated to move to London?

Because they lost a court case related to sustainability and CO2 emissions.

Whereas the environment no longer seems to matter to the current Tory government.

jgw1 · 07/12/2023 15:36

Daftasabroom · 07/12/2023 15:35

Because they lost a court case related to sustainability and CO2 emissions.

Whereas the environment no longer seems to matter to the current Tory government.

That's because the Tories like to encourage the mass migration of people.

Daftasabroom · 07/12/2023 15:38

jgw1 · 07/12/2023 15:35

I'd like a rainbow coloured passport, was that permitted while we were in the EU?

As far as I know. Presumably we could have stood in the non-eu lane if someone was desperate enough for a stamp. Obviously no one did because being in the EU made life easier.

EasternStandard · 07/12/2023 15:40

WorldGlobeTrotter · 07/12/2023 15:15

It's was our fault that we stop and think about who we believed. I mean Farage, Johnson, Corbyn and Trump come on!

So, I will ask again.

If people thought they had been lied to about Brexit, what prevented them from voting in the LibDems to ensure Brexit would be cancelled?

What was in the LibDem manifesto that was so horrible which justified giving up the opportunity to cancel Brexit?

I think people were fed up with it all by then. Probably why even with people regretting it apparently no politician will propose the SM.

HappiestSleeping · 07/12/2023 15:48

WorldGlobeTrotter · 07/12/2023 15:15

It's was our fault that we stop and think about who we believed. I mean Farage, Johnson, Corbyn and Trump come on!

So, I will ask again.

If people thought they had been lied to about Brexit, what prevented them from voting in the LibDems to ensure Brexit would be cancelled?

What was in the LibDem manifesto that was so horrible which justified giving up the opportunity to cancel Brexit?

What you're talking about here though is apathy. The facts were all there for the electorate to have looked into at the time of the referendum. Let's face it, the campaigning was poor on both sides. Each basically said "if you don't vote this way, it will be shit" which isn't a coherent argument. Then again, the purpose of a government is to make the decisions that the electorate are too stupid ill informed to make.

Couple that with the fact that there was one version of remain, which was a certainty, but many different versions of leave, none of which were certain, and I would expect that many brexiters are feeling disenfranchised now.

Yes, it is true that the Lib Dems ran a manifesto based on cancelling brexit, but even then it would be hard to vote for a party with so much else wrong with it, and no experience of running a country. In hindsight they would arguably have done a less shit job than the current shower.

Even now, it is really a choice between Labour and Conservative, and that is like choosing between syphilis or gonorrhoea.

It's a bit of a non argument to say "you should have voted Lib Dem", just as much as it is for the remainers to lament that more of the electorate couldn't be arsed to get to the polling station.

As I said above, this whole debate is moot really. We are in it now, hoisted by our own petard. We just need to get on with dealing with the explosion.

WorldGlobeTrotter · 07/12/2023 15:50

I think people were fed up with it all by then. Probably why even with people regretting it apparently no politician will propose the SM

Very possible that people wanted it to be over rather than go round in circles forever and viewed a vote for LibDem was a wasted vote due to FPTP system?

That's why I think it will be many years/decades before a rejoin campaign begins. Even if such a campaign, there is no certainty rejoin would win. Also, there is no obligation for the EU to accept applications. Only takes one member to say no.

HappiestSleeping · 07/12/2023 16:52

WorldGlobeTrotter · 07/12/2023 15:50

I think people were fed up with it all by then. Probably why even with people regretting it apparently no politician will propose the SM

Very possible that people wanted it to be over rather than go round in circles forever and viewed a vote for LibDem was a wasted vote due to FPTP system?

That's why I think it will be many years/decades before a rejoin campaign begins. Even if such a campaign, there is no certainty rejoin would win. Also, there is no obligation for the EU to accept applications. Only takes one member to say no.

And even of we did apply to rejoin, we wouldn't get the same favourable terms we had previously.

jgw1 · 07/12/2023 16:57

The greatest disadvantage of Brexit as we have seen many times this week is for Tory politicans. When they used to regularly stuff things up they could just have their daily hate against the EU and feel better about themselves. Now they still need to have a daily hate against someone, but are a bit confused as to who that should be.

EasternStandard · 07/12/2023 17:02

WorldGlobeTrotter · 07/12/2023 15:50

I think people were fed up with it all by then. Probably why even with people regretting it apparently no politician will propose the SM

Very possible that people wanted it to be over rather than go round in circles forever and viewed a vote for LibDem was a wasted vote due to FPTP system?

That's why I think it will be many years/decades before a rejoin campaign begins. Even if such a campaign, there is no certainty rejoin would win. Also, there is no obligation for the EU to accept applications. Only takes one member to say no.

Rejoin seems far off plus things might change by then

SM is easier but no go this GE, another five years. A long time with what looks like increasing volatility generally in EU and outside it

Kendodd · 07/12/2023 18:30

LumiB · 07/12/2023 00:28

Stop running down British trades people. Not all of them are bad. Its like this in any industry there is always a % that are incompetent

In fairness, tradespeople in the UK are notoriously bad. Massive shortage (true while we were in the UK as well) high prices, poor standard of work, show up (or not) whenever they want.

SoIf · 07/12/2023 19:37

verdantverdure · 06/12/2023 12:40

Fish and chips are a tenner now so we can't afford them and must be slimmer as a result.

So if we were to rejoin the EU tomorrow we would get cheap fish and chips then? How much cheaper?

I like fish and chips and am interested to know.

SoIf · 07/12/2023 19:45

Mothmansknickers · 06/12/2023 14:32

My lovely new passport. Although I'm now classed as a third country national in Europe, the beautiful colour more than makes up for it.

A third country national in the EU, not in Europe.

Flyhigher · 07/12/2023 22:01

@solf there's so much of Europe that's outside of the EU. Norway, Switzerland, Bosnia, and so on. Not many countries inside at all!



Flyhigher · 07/12/2023 22:04



Flyhigher · 07/12/2023 22:08

So many countries outside the EU. So being excluded is absolutely fine!

Can someone give me one benefit of Brexit.
Kendodd · 07/12/2023 22:09

SoIf · 07/12/2023 19:45

A third country national in the EU, not in Europe.

This has got to be a spoof (although with brexit voters you can never be sure) nobody's stupid enough to care more about the colour of a passport than the rights it gives you and doors it opens.

TooBigForMyBoots · 07/12/2023 23:00

jgw1 · 07/12/2023 16:57

The greatest disadvantage of Brexit as we have seen many times this week is for Tory politicans. When they used to regularly stuff things up they could just have their daily hate against the EU and feel better about themselves. Now they still need to have a daily hate against someone, but are a bit confused as to who that should be.

Not what Brexit is doing to NI? It collapsed our Assembly. We are pretty much without government. Westminster cut our budget as punishment. With no one at the reins, there is no direction. Brexit caused withdrawal of EU funded social and infrastructure programmes, as happened in many UK regions suffering poverty and needing investment.

But oh no! Its all about you and your precious fucking party @jgw1. Typical fucking Tory.😤

Saying that, I've been enjoying watching the Tory party destroy themselves over the last 7 years. So that's something I suppose.

Zonder · 08/12/2023 04:41

But oh no! Its all about you and your precious fucking party @jgw1. Typical fucking Tory.😤

Oops!

jgw1 · 08/12/2023 07:40

Zonder · 08/12/2023 04:41

But oh no! Its all about you and your precious fucking party @jgw1. Typical fucking Tory.😤

Oops!

My precious.

Zonder · 08/12/2023 08:11

jgw1 · 08/12/2023 07:40

My precious.

😊

SoIf · 08/12/2023 08:17

Flyhigher · 07/12/2023 22:01

@solf there's so much of Europe that's outside of the EU. Norway, Switzerland, Bosnia, and so on. Not many countries inside at all!



100% agree @Flyhigher but try telling some people that. They think the EU is Europe

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