Can someone give me one benefit of Brexit.

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It's going to be 4 years since we withdrew our membership in European Union. Apart from the passport colour (some people might prefer) can anyone name one positive change which happened since then.

I know lots of companies that moved to the Netherlands. So it's been a big benefit for the Netherlands.

TBF, you have to give it to Rwanda. Its a far sighted nation.

They certainly saw the Tories coming.🤣🤣🤣

Stop running down British trades people. Not all of them are bad. Its like this in any industry there is always a % that are incompetent

That's a bit of a leap. Given this is in response to a thread I had posted about my partner I feel it's only fair that I respond. My partner is an electrical fitter with over 30 years experience and has never taken a day off in the 7 years we've been together and works extremely hard. How does that make him "shittier"?

I assume it's more to do with liberating himself from Sunak ready for when the next Tory leadership campaign happens. He can now back Cruella.

We were able to abolish the "Tampon Tax" once no longer bound by the EU VAT Directive. However the 5% reduction wasn't fully passed on to consumers so it had more value to the manufacturers' profit margins than to the general population.

I think this is the first tangible benefit I've heard, albeit only a temporary one as the EU also recognise that it is inappropriate and are in the process of changing the legislation.

Of course, it doesn't change the fact that the MEPs could have proposed the change long before they did etc etc.

I know lots of companies that moved to the Netherlands. So it's been a big benefit for the Netherlands

And yet Shell wnated to move to London?

Shell moved here, cos Shell was able to have massive profits from us during the energy crisis, remember? Them moving here is NOT GOOD for you and me.

@HowNice23 im sorry if I offended you. I dont know about your husband’s quality of work. Speaking from my own experience and people I know, the quality of building work done here by British builders is way more expensive and worse. My own two builders have said so themselves and proudly voted Brexit to "get rid of foreigners reducing their prices in the market". They wanted no competition.

I would say I have gained from Brexit. As UK is no longer part of the EU, UK citizens must observer the 90/180 Schengen guideline for time in the EU.

If you can travel in and out each week, it's easy to follow the 90/180. Also, COVID highlighted how much work can be done remotely. This too makes the 90/180 easy to follow.

Both France and Spain want the 90/180 to be abandoned. So, I guess they think it is disadvantageous.

verdantverdure · Yesterday 19:20

That's fab. There's some really positive benefits being highlighted on this thread. Pay rises are great. More money for nhs is great. The vaccine speed was great. It would be nice if remainers could acknowledge these rather than pretend it hasnt happened.

This was one delusional post. I wonder if its a Tory positivity bot or a real person.

Pay rises: have you noticed inflation? Our inflation is going up faster than pay rises. Therefore you are losing money. In contrast, in EU countries Germany and France, wages are higher, they are not doing as bad as us.

More money for NHS: you must be kidding. No money went to NHS. Tories want NHS privatised, they have under funded it since they arrived. NHS median waiting times and number of patients waiting up 100% since Brexit. See data on 2016 here: https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/06/Jul-16-RTT-SPN-publication-version.pdf then 2023 here: https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/06/Apr23-RTT-SPN-publication-version-PDF-427K.pdf

Vaccines: We could have done exactly the same thing under EU rules! EU had nothing to do with our decisions.

So why are people pretending Brexit hasn't been a fucking disaster?

It has not been a disaster for me.

And why are they so pissed off when others discuss it?

Maybe because there have been so many threads on this subject starting in 2016 after the referendum and still ongoing in 2023, seven years later, they are no longer interested?

Remain supporters were presented with the option to cancel Brexit in the 2019 GE by voting for Jo Swinson of the LibDems. If the same 16.1 million who voted remain in 2016 had voted for Jo Swinson the LibDems would have won with a majority. Only remain supporters can know why they did not vote LibDem

So why are people pretending Brexit hasn't been a fucking disaster?

It has not been a disaster for me.

Is that you, Boris?

Only remain supporters can know why they did not vote LibDem

Most people don't vote on a single issue and there's so much else going on. It wasn't a second referendum.

It has not been a disaster for me.
Is that you, Boris?

No. My name is not Boris

Most people don't vote on a single issue and there's so much else going on. It wasn't a second referendum.

What else was going on between the referendum on 23 June 2016 and the GE on 12 December 2019 that had been talked about more than Brexit?

If, as advocated by remain supporters, Brexit was certain to destroy the UK, why did remain supporters not vote in for LibDems in 2019 to ensure Brexit would not happen?

I would say the 2019 GE was a second referendum and confirmed people still wanted to leave the EU. Jo Swinson, who was clear that her policy was to cancel brexit if elected, lost her seat.

Labour, with their half in and half out of the EU policy, got their worst result in 85 years. Anna Sourbry's party came nowhere. Conservative party , whose policy was to deliver Brexit, won.

@WorldGlobeTrotter has a point here. There was indeed an option to salvage it.

I don't think anyone really knew what a monumental screw up Boris would make of it though. I mean, we all knew he would be a screw up, even his own party knew, just didn't ever think it was possible to screw it up soooo badly.

Oven ready deal? My arse.

2019 was one point but we have a GE coming up and it looks like no chance anyone will go there again

Even with polls on Brexit etc for some reason SM is not an option

Even with polls on Brexit etc for some reason SM is not an option

I think Labour know that they would be savaged by the right wing press, if they came out in support of it right now. The current incarnation of the Tory Party has to be well and truly defeated for them to suggest it.

So if Labour did win, I think it might be a policy for a second term in Office.

It's was our fault that we stop and think about who we believed. I mean Farage, Johnson, Corbyn and Trump come on!

The Oxford dictionary defines oven ready as:

oven-ready adjective /ˌʌvn ˈredi/ /ˌʌvn ˈredi/ [usually before noun] (of food) bought already prepared and ready for cooking.

Discussion on deals couldn't commence before the UK invoked Article 50. So, it wasn't possible for the UK to prepare a deal before the referendum.

That wasn't my point. The uk invoked article 50 in 2017, and Boris wasn't elected until 2019. He stated that his deal was 'oven ready'

My point was that it about as oven ready as a halibut, still swimming around in the sea and nowhere near a fish pie. Possibly not the best example to use given all the Brexiteers cries of 'fish quotas' 🤦‍♂️

I think I have one!

Haven’t read the full thread.

My understanding is that populist parties in other EU counties are no longer interested in leaving the EU after they’ve seen how much of a shit show it’s been for us.

It's was our fault that we stop and think about who we believed. I mean Farage, Johnson, Corbyn and Trump come on!

So, I will ask again.

If people thought they had been lied to about Brexit, what prevented them from voting in the LibDems to ensure Brexit would be cancelled?

What was in the LibDem manifesto that was so horrible which justified giving up the opportunity to cancel Brexit?

Many I know will vote for the Reform UK party at the next election. Their reasoning is that both Conservative and Labour have consistantley failed over several decades.