Can someone give me one benefit of Brexit.

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It's going to be 4 years since we withdrew our membership in European Union. Apart from the passport colour (some people might prefer) can anyone name one positive change which happened since then.

Any such debate must be had based on today's situation, facts etc.

I agree. Crying about what happened 7 years ago des not achieve anything.

I haven’t been on the Brexit board for ages. Most Brexit threads are just loads of insults.

True. I remember the clan from 2019.

Bearbehind - one of the more sensible ones who acknowledged that leave voters would not change their minds no matter how many times remain voters called them stupid

Bellinisurge - GFA makes Brexit illegal. Garbage of course as Article 50 has no recourse to international law

LeClerc (lives outside the UK) - All leavers are stupid because his/her pension had reduced due to currency fluctuations

Jasgas - Almost every post included the word stupid. Even made the statement that leave voters should be imprisoned.

Parker231 (a Belgian) - EU is the greatest organization in the World. So, Brexit must be cancelled because I say so.

Mistigri (Lives in France) -

Peregrina an SNP supporter who is on this board

Twofingertwoeverything - I will never accept Brexit as all leaver voter are racist thickheads

and many others I can't remember.

@Flyhigher I'm incredibly impressed with your patience on this. You are so articulate, I just get so cross at the fuckwittery

Regardless of how painful it may be for remain supporters to accept, the following are facts:

Everyone is entitled to their opinion

Governments are obliged to implement the results of GE and Referendums

Remain supporters had the opportunity to cancel Brexit in the 2019 GE, but did not take it.

Governments are obliged to implement the results of GE and Referendums

A referendum is not binding.

Remain supporters had the opportunity to cancel Brexit in the 2019 GE, but did not take it.

The lies which convinced people to vote leave had still to be exposed/ held to account. Still waiting actually.

@Zonder A referendum is not binding.

Read the booklet sent to every household in the UK. Link is:

why-the-government-believes-that-voting-to-remain-in-the-european-union-is-the-best-decision-for-the-uk.pdf (publishing.service.gov.uk)

It includes the following statement:

A once in a generation decision

The referendum on Thursday, 23rd June is your chance to decide if we should remain in or leave the European Union. The Government believes it is in the best interests of the UK to remain in the EU. This is the way to protect jobs, provide security, and strengthen the UK’s economy for every family in this country – a clear path into the future, in contrast to the uncertainty of leaving.

This is your decision. The Government will implement what you decide.

If you’re aged 18 or over by 23rd June and are entitled to vote, this is your chance to decide.

The wording "in contrast to the uncertainty of leaving" is proof that Cameron (a remain supporter) had made no plan for a leave result.

The lies which convinced people to vote leave had still to be exposed/ held to account. Still waiting actually.

Been here before too. Remain forecast the following would happen just by voting to leave before anything happened:

Between 500,000 and 800,000 jobs would be lost. Never happened. Before COVID appeared, employment in the UK had increased by Approx. 1 million

Households would be 4,300 worse off per year. Never happened.

An emergency budget would be necessary to increase taxes. Never happened.

Link is:
Five of the worst Remain predictions five years on | The Spectator

In anticipation of the comment , "What happened about leave forecasts" the reply is:

Brexit has not yet started as the entire World has been firefighting since March 2020 when COVID appeared and then energy prices soared from Feb 2022 onwards.

Also, the UK is till locked into EU regulations and not able to undercut EU prices for good as per the Trading and Standards Cooperation Agreement. Link is:

Trade and Cooperation Agreement between UK and EU – CP 426 (publishing.service.gov.uk)

EU wat to prevent cheaper goods from entering the EU to maintain their cartel of rip off costs, but where happy to accept the poorer Eastern European countries as memember so the could access cheaper labour. Double standards or what!

Peregrina an SNP supporter who is on this board

Not sure where anyone could get that idea from, since I live in the south of England and don't follow Scottish politics particularly closely!

Brexit has not started yet...

Huh?
Regardless of Covid, Ukraine etc, Brexit is happening and is almost done.

Definitely. We have cut our selves off into oblivion. Madness.

@Flyhigher Definitely. We have cut our selves off into oblivion. Madness

A bit early to make that statement. COVID last two years from March 2020 to early 2022. Russian invaded the Ukraine soon after. Israel/Hamas conflict began in October 2023. So, Brexit has been pushed aside.

Also, contrary to what leave said, trade deals take time to complete, often measured in years. Maybe that is why the major parties are not advocating rejoin in the run up to the next GE?

@verdantverdure

1. The population of the U.K. is 67-68 million.

Only 17 million voted for Brexit.

How is that a majority of British people?

Another 7 year old comment.

Voting age in the UK is 18. Not all of the 67-68 million are over 18. There were Approx. 46.5 million registered voters in June 2016. Of that figure 33.5 million voted. 17.2 million for leave and 16.1 million for remain which is 52% and 48% respectively.

until after the next EU referendum or until we rejoin the single market and customs union, whichever comes first. It can't be long now.

That is many years down the line, possibly never as there are several hurdles to clear.

A referendum has to be called

If the result close, like in in 2016, will it not raise the same arguments as before?

If the result is leave, UK application has to be accepted by all EU members. I foresee this being an issue.

If UK were allowed to rejoin, the terms are certain to worse than before.

You might find this interesting.

https://fullfact.org/europe/was-eu-referendum-advisory/

Everyone is entitled to their opinion

Indeed they are. This, however, doesn't alter the fact that they may be gullible fuckwits or racists in any way, shape, or form.

Governments are obliged to implement the results of GE and Referendums

As above, it was only advisory. The government backed themselves into a corner by their own stupidity.

The reason the Remain predictions didn't come true was because the Bank of England spend billions of our pounds to mitigate the immediate effects of the vote.

Brexit has not yet started as the entire World has been firefighting since March 2020 when COVID appeared and then energy prices soared from Feb 2022 onwards.

This is simply complete and utter bullshit.

Some unmitigated nonsense about cartels of something

It's a trading bloc. You want to encourage trading within your bloc. That's why you make it easier by, for instance, having common customs arrangements, recognising common minimum standards, etc., etc... To suggest that they should do otherwise is, frankly, a complete load of idiotic waffle.

gullible fuckwits or racists

This is typical Brexit thread rot. Unless you’re mad red typing insults like this better to swerve the whole board.

There are some posters who feel strongly but as of yet it’s confined to insults on mn for years.

Joining the SM isn’t even being advocated by Labour for the next GE.

It must not be an item topping the agenda, maybe campaign more

I'm just saying, in response to the repeated wails of "everyone is allowed their own opinion", or "everyone is entitled to vote how they want", that neither of these actually stops their votes, or their opinions, from being wrong...

Sure nothing off with you are wrong because x y z

Posters saying others are wrong keeps mn in business after all

gullible fuckwits and racists is next level

I’ve read posts and can see where facts are posted or not

The topic is quite interesting in that no party seems to be picking it up despite polls showing discontent

@HannibalHeyes

If the government had a mechanism at their disposal to prevent all their predictions from becoming true, why did they make such predictions in the first place?

Because the Bank of England is supposedly independent?

Because they wanted people to realise the stupidity of voting leave?

@HannibalHeyes As above, it was only advisory. The government backed themselves into a corner by their own stupidity.

So, the wording.

This is your decision. The government will implement what you decide.

is advisory?

PM at the time, Cameron, was a remain supporter, but according to you he was stupid?

498 MP’s (about 76% of the HoC) voted to trigger Article 50. Once that was done, arguments whether or not the referendum was advisory become irrelevant.

Exactly! Now you get it! It was advisory, but the government's stupidity led them to paint themselves into a corner where they had said that they would implement it.

Finally, you understand!

@HannibalHeyes

Because they wanted people to realise the stupidity of voting leave?

Andrew Haldane, Chief Economist of the BoE, acknowledged that predictions were pessimistic as recorded by the following comments made 5 Jan 2017

The bank has come under intense criticism for predicting a dramatic slowdown in the UK’s fortunes in the event of a vote for Brexit only for the economy to bounce back strongly and remain one of the best performing in the developed world.

Gove said last week that when he said experts needed to be challenged, he meant economists in particular. In a debate with Stephanie Flanders, the former BBC economics editor, he cited an academic study to support his argument that expert economists were not good at making predictions.

Gove said: “Sometimes we’re invited to take experts as though they were prophets, as though their words were carved in tablets of stone and that we had to simply meekly bow down before them and accept their verdict.
“I think the right response in a democracy, to assertions made by experts, is to say ‘show us the evidence, show us the facts’. And then, if experts or indeed anyone in the debate can make a strong case, draw on evidence and let us think again – then of course they deserve respect.”

Flanders, who now works for JP Morgan, agreed that economists had a long record of being wrong on direct forecasts while expressing concerns about the consequences of expertise being dismissed out of hand. “I think we’ve seen over the last few years economists and indeed the elite, the technocrats, can be wrong in some pretty big areas,” she said. “They were wrong in their assumptions about certain financial instruments and developments, which helped contribute to the financial crisis.”

@HannibalHeyes

Exactly! Now you get it! It was advisory, but the government's stupidity led them to paint themselves into a corner where they had said that they would implement it.

Finally, you understand!

I never said I agree the referendum was as advisory as the wording:

This is your decision. The government will implement what you decide.

can’t be read as being advisory. 76% of MP’s knew that too. Hence they voted to trigger Article 50 as they knew they would be kicked out by voters at the next GE.

Look what happened in the 2019 GE to Labour and the LibDems when they tried to ignore the referendum result.

5th January 2017 was less than a year after the vote to Leave and before Brexit was negotiated and implemented. We were still in the EU at that stage.

Ah, Michael "we've all had enough of experts" Gove.

The man with no plan. Along with all those other men with no plans.

We'd all be much better off if we'd listened to the experts instead of the self serving numpties...

@TooBigForMyBoots

We were still in the EU at that stage.

Remain predictions were what was meant to happen just by voting to leave before the UK actually left the EU.

As the poster Eastern points outs Labour have said they will not campaign to rejoin the EU or even the SM even though they were previously a remain party.

If everyone has changed their mind and wants to rejoin, as claimed by remain supporters, why has Labour done that? I think it’s because Labour have not forgotten what happened in the 2019 GE when they tried to ignore the referendum result.

Why are the remain supporter not emailing Starmer to advise if he does not push for rejoining the EU they won’t vote for him?

@HannibalHeyes

We'd all be much better off if we'd listened to the experts instead of the self serving numpties...

It was the BoE chief economist who said the expert predictions were wrong.

Because he knew what they could do, and that we wouldn't leave overnight.

He still didn't think it was a sensible idea to leave...