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Brexit mega thread part 12: David Cameron: Return of the King

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SerendipityJane · 13/11/2023 15:34

(previous thread)

That's "king" as a suffix not a prefix. Also part of a phrase.

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Talkinpeace · 14/03/2024 17:12

@SerendipityJane
I think even the headbangers can see that the election will cost them totally
and none of them want their card marked as a loser
so they will let him run to the election and THEN get the daggers out
as changing leader YET AGAIN before an election will be too much of a gift to the other parties.

SerendipityJane · 14/03/2024 17:29

Talkinpeace · 14/03/2024 17:12

@SerendipityJane
I think even the headbangers can see that the election will cost them totally
and none of them want their card marked as a loser
so they will let him run to the election and THEN get the daggers out
as changing leader YET AGAIN before an election will be too much of a gift to the other parties.

It's a very nuanced situation.

The recent canonisation of Theresa May should remind us how she was skewered like a butterfly on a card by her own party who made her the scapegoat in order to announce the second coming of the messiah Boris Johnson.

I suspect Rish! is not similarly skewered. He can't even resign - or rather if he did he'd lose a lot of his US nest egg.

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DuncinToffee · 14/03/2024 20:49

It's going well

https://www.nationalworld.com/news/politics/brexit-british-beef-australia-trade-4556041

No British beef has been exported to Australia under the UK’s first post-Brexit free-trade agreement (FTA) as there is too much red tape, NationalWorld can reveal.

Jason118 · 14/03/2024 21:01

Give it 50 years, there'll be a rump or two by then.

DuncinToffee · 14/03/2024 21:04

extra matured

SerendipityJane · 14/03/2024 21:05

DuncinToffee · 14/03/2024 20:49

It's going well

https://www.nationalworld.com/news/politics/brexit-british-beef-australia-trade-4556041

No British beef has been exported to Australia under the UK’s first post-Brexit free-trade agreement (FTA) as there is too much red tape, NationalWorld can reveal.

I look forward to it on UK shelves then ...

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SerendipityJane · 15/03/2024 15:30

HannibalHeyes · 15/03/2024 14:26

Well, well, well knock me down with a feather...

As I said. Rolling back Brexit by stealth. Whilst the headbangers wank over blue passports.

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HannibalHeyes · 16/03/2024 12:07

Yay! More Brexshit winning...

Brexit mega thread part 12: David Cameron: Return of the King
GlobeTrotter2000 · 16/03/2024 12:20

@SerendipityJane

The UK joined the EEC by stealth in 1973. However, laws have changed since then. So, a re-join by stealth is not possible.

Peregrina · 16/03/2024 12:34

The UK joined the EEC by stealth in 1973. However, laws have changed since then. So, a re-join by stealth is not possible.

With respect, that statement is rubbish. There was an extended period of negotiation and then an Act of Parliament was passed enabling the UK to accede.

borntobequiet · 16/03/2024 13:29

GlobeTrotter2000 · 16/03/2024 12:20

@SerendipityJane

The UK joined the EEC by stealth in 1973. However, laws have changed since then. So, a re-join by stealth is not possible.

What utter nonsense. It was a big thing - I remember it well - not in any way “by stealth”.
It transformed the UK from a moribund state, stuck in the past and incapable of seeing a way forward, into a dynamic leader in the Western world, with huge influence via its membership of (eventually) the EU.
I will never be able to forgive those who engineered Brexit for diminishing my country in the way they did.

SerendipityJane · 17/03/2024 16:21

HannibalHeyes · 17/03/2024 16:19

I hear lawsuits in the wind ....

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GlobeTrotter2000 · 18/03/2024 10:59

@borntobequiet & @Peregrina

All what you mentioned occurred without a referendum. ie the electorate was not consulted. Under current laws in both the EU and the UK, this is not possible.

Peregrina · 18/03/2024 11:05

You talk some tosh GlobeTrotter2000. Show me which law states that the UK must put key decisions to a referendum. Show me where key decision is defined in the first place.

You may prefer that decisions are made by Referenda - you will only think so until one doesn't go your way and then you will be whinging. As you are whinging now, when the mandate given by the 2016 Referendum has now been discharged. We are no longer in the EU, but you barely seem to realise that. That Brexit isn't going the way you think it should be is in part due to sloppily drafted law concerning that particular Referendum.

Peregrina · 18/03/2024 11:08

Globetrotter2000 under current laws we have to have an election after 5 years. Now that the Fixed term Parliament act has been scrapped, it can be held earlier at the whim of the PM, and indeed under the Fixed Term Act it could still be held earlier, as the 2019 election was.

SerendipityJane · 18/03/2024 11:14

[..]under current laws we have to have an election after 5 years.

We now know Tory governments have zero respect for the law.

I can still see myself being unsurprised if this extremism nonsense isn't the start of an attempt to "delay" any election for specious reasons.

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Peregrina · 18/03/2024 11:30

As indeed an election was delayed during WW2 - for about 3 years.

borntobequiet · 18/03/2024 14:18

GlobeTrotter2000 · 18/03/2024 10:59

@borntobequiet & @Peregrina

All what you mentioned occurred without a referendum. ie the electorate was not consulted. Under current laws in both the EU and the UK, this is not possible.

Uh?

pointythings · 18/03/2024 15:11

borntobequiet · 18/03/2024 14:18

Uh?

Well, quite. I am from the Netherlands, a founder member. There is no requirement to hold a referendum on major changes, whether EU related or otherwise. Not all member states held referenda on the Treaty of Maastricht, for example. I have no idea where @GlobeTrotter2000 got the idea that a referendum would be needed for rejoining the EU. Politically it might be necessary, legally it isn't and nor is it in most EU member states.

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