Brexit mega thread part 10 : what's the (s)tory? Incompetence, tax evasion, dodgy loans and economic free fall...nothing to see here...check out those sunlit uploands!

[Chevyimpala67]

Part 10 of our long running thread.
I'm still putting my money on a spring GE.
The tory slash and burn of the UK is right on track.
Bon chance my friends!

news.sky.com/story/brexit-poll-suggests-just-9-of-britons-think-decision-to-leave-european-union-more-of-a-success-than-failure-12887197

To be fair, whilst Leavers in June 2016 no doubt voted for all the magical non-existent good stuff you listed, they then (after it became obvious that it was all bollocks) doubled-down and declared that Brexit was worth any amount of hardship or having to feed grass to their children etc etc. Yes, I recall one of the fervent BeLeavers really writing that.

The majority of voters did not elect Boris Johnson. The majority (56.4%) voted for someone else.

Looks like we’re moving to a Brexit Mega Thread 11

@Chevyimpala67 have you name changed? Can you still start the next one? Or someone else?

Raab stepping down at next election.

Rats...ship?....something like that....

@HannibalHeyes

"This, patently, is bullshit. They voted for the sunlit uplands they were promised. They voted for the reduced immigration they were promised particularly reduced immigration of "duskier hued" people, however obvious it was that the opposite would happen as they were promised. They voted for the cheaper food prices they were promised. They voted for the cheaper energy prices they were promised. They voted for the better trade deals they were promised. They voted for the same freedoms to travel they were promised.

Don't try and rewrite history on these threads - we have the receipts."

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Because what Brexit would exactly entail was never defined other than "let's take back control" or "Brexit means Brexit" or even "Brexit is red, white and blue" different leave voters expected different things. For many leave voters it wasn't even a measured decision but simply a protest vote after 8 years of austerity.

Even when the dangers were pointed out ahead of vote they were dismissed "we've had enough of experts" or "it's just project fear". And if this wasn't enough by December 2019 when it was evidently clear that Brexit was a massive self harming mistake, voters doubled down the harm by voting for Boris and his "let's get Brexit done".

So whilst I recognise it is easier for leave voters to blame the Tories for the consequences of Brexit, this is rather like me blaming the cake for putting on weight and not accepting any responsibility for eating it. The Tories only delivered an outcome 17 million voters chose.

The blame for the self harm done to this country and future generations by Brexit sits squarely with those that voted leave.

Our mate Phil suggesting that Braverman is lining up to resign in a flounce when the next immigration figures are released (later this week ?).

This will allow her to peddle (as well as pedal) a narrative that the nasty wets like Sunak aren't BeLeaving enough and only she - cape and wand flowing in the winds of change - can save them.

We have reached the stage where what is good for Suella Braverman - the failure of Rishi Sunak, electoral oblivion for the Tories and herself crowned as their saviour - is rather at odds with what is good for Rishi Sunak. Which is to at least be around to lead the next Tory election campaign.

If either of them put .00000000000001% of the effort into running the UK that they do into advancing their own positions, we'd live in paradise.

I do feel "team Rishi" are getting some quality advice (finally). Maybe they have better media contacts. But the manoeuvrings at the moment do feel very precise. Sunak appears to be backing Braverman - and that really doesn't suit her plan. She needs a credible route to the back benches that gives her the legitimacy of an ousted prophet.

Also, there is no way speedgate is the only thing the whips will have on her.

Moving away, I see an Egyptian billionaire has donated to the Tories. On the basis the news reports were silent on his citizenship I am guessing he's not a UK citizen. So how come non (dom) citizens can bung millions at politicians, while they can't vote while paying taxes ? Team Labour should have picked that up.

The blame for the self harm done to this country and future generations by Brexit sits squarely with those that voted leave.
I agree. Its theirs to own.

If we zoom out, and look at from space, Brexit is an interesting phenomenon. I can already feel it will be studied closer abroad than at home.

Arguably it was the first (or one of the first) major (supposedly) apolitical campaigns and votes in the 21st century whose alpha and omega are fossilised in the amber of the internet. And hence available for all to see, study and remember with digital accuracy 5,50 and 500 years from now.

Already there are some interesting features. But relating to the previous comment nobody - absolutely nobody gets to claim "nobody told them". With proof to back it up. In times gone by, it would have been possible to allow people that fig leaf and move on. But this is a Brave(rman) New World and that luxury has gone.

It's one reason why Brexiteers can't escape having their intelligence questioned. They were warned. They did it anyway. Only an idiot or a sociopath behaves like that.

He just couldn’t stand the thought of remaining a back bencher or being in opposition. His talents call for him to shine on the global stage. And perhaps the after dinner talk circuit seems appealing after seeing how much his old boss is taking in.

So the xxxx's that gave us all Brexit, can then fcuk off into the distance with their EU passports and gold plated ministerial pensions with zero sanction.

People like Raab should be in jail for what they done to the UK.

After the next GE, they will all pretty much be gone, meanwhile the pain they have caused will go on for a generation, maybe longer, time we will never get back.

only she - cape and wand flowing in the winds of change - can save them

Just don’t. My heart can’t take it.

Brexit seeds an investment boom……in Germany.

Huge increase in FDI in Germany.
U.K. companies investment in Germany up by 21%.

twitter.com/JohnOBrennan2/status/1660881198539833346?s=20

My ds1 is planning on a brexit topic for his 3rd year dissertation

The societal effects of Brexit in particular.

Historically I guess the closest we get is religious conflicts (which is really what Brexit is) and peoples ancestors loyalties being presumed from an accent or a name.

Only in the 21st century, you won't need to pre/assume a persons forebears loyalties. You can read about it on facebook.

I caught an interesting YouTube clip where a commentator said that moving into the future where peoples faces and voices are captured with digital precision will prove testing for their descendants. Imagine seeing your grandparent in living colour spouting some disgusting racial views on their Facebook.

Losing that anonymity - not in space, but in time - could yet be a game changer.

That's a really interesting point
I shall talk to him about it

Except that there will be no knowing whether that ancestor really said those words.

Deep fakes are already "showing" people saying things they never actually said. AI is aiding in this.

And posts, articles, tweets that people don't want linked to them are regularly deleted permanently, often unarchived.

Digital evidence is unlikely to be trustworthy in future.

That being the case (no reason it should be if you understand decent cryptography) then we're no worse off than we are now, where it turns out a lot of "historical" documents are of questionable origin.

It amused me that recently the charges (and therefore sentence) against Mary Queen of Scots were shown to be 100% accurate by breaking the cipher she used in captivity. Shades of the Hanratty verdict being shown to be 100% valid after his family insisted on pressing for a retrial.

You don’t hear much

“I know what I voted for”

these days, do you?

Possibly the penny has dropped that they didn’t vote for this.

>gestures at the state of everything<

https://www.ft.com/content/03e2e207-3245-4b2d-92b9-340ba1a468f6

UK set to lose solar investment after developer criticises lack of incentives
Photovoltaics group Oxford PV says Britain is ‘least attractive’ location for new factory

@verdantverdure unfortunately, you do in my house....... 😒

Ah, those whingeing old remoaners from the LSE, £7 Billion on our food bills is a tiny price to pay for, er, er, somebody help me here...

You have my sympathies.

Even my "Boris" loving parents seem to be dysencganted with the whole idea.

Team Boris threatening to disrupt government if he isn't let off the hook.

What part of Nazi history aren't the Tories going to copy ?

OK, so those who voted for Brexshit because of "immigration" - how's that going for you?