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Brexit mega thread part 10 : what's the (s)tory? Incompetence, tax evasion, dodgy loans and economic free fall...nothing to see here...check out those sunlit uploands!

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Chevyimpala67 · 31/01/2023 12:52

Part 10 of our long running thread.
I'm still putting my money on a spring GE.
The tory slash and burn of the UK is right on track.
Bon chance my friends!

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SerendipityJane · 02/02/2023 20:56

verdantverdure · 02/02/2023 20:15

Yeah, some people are a bit "stuck" and apparently unable to take on new information or adjust to new situations, so you see them on threads saying "but Corbyn/The Hard Left/ Labour need to put out fully costed policy" as if they dipped into politics and current affairs once, and haven't felt the need to stay up to date or look for any new info.

I hope they're the minority though.

1 in 3 people who talk about politics don't vote.

Worth remembering. It can save you 33% of your advertising budget. Or make it 50% more effective.

verdantverdure · 02/02/2023 21:38

Seriously? Wow. I've never not voted.

Although with the new Voting ID rules, a couple of million people who don't have a driving licence or a passport won't be able to vote.

HannibalHeyes · 03/02/2023 00:09

But doesn't he want Ukraine to have all that loverly sovrinty that we're so enjoying?

DuncinToffee · 03/02/2023 08:45

I see that David Davis is busy blaming Whitehall civil servants for his Brexit negotiations.

Rats,. ship

Alexandra2001 · 03/02/2023 09:08

SerendipityJane · 02/02/2023 19:43

I think you underestimate the brass neck of the tories and the dimness of the average voter (remember that's already 67% of the population anyway).

This time next year, you'll be told how the Conservative Party has always been pro-EU. After all, who's gonna challenge them ? The BBC. They're still pushing "balance".

Tories could easily blame Brexit on opposition MPs and be believed..... aided by the right wing press.... push for SM/CU even re join and leave Labour floundering with their "We not join SM or CU" mantra.

All they would need to do this is to believe it would keep them in power.

Just as Bojo did in backing Brexit to get into power.

DowningStreetParty · 03/02/2023 09:25

My genuine belief is that Boris Johnson was never personally pro- Brexit because he doesn’t have any principles. Once he got into power years later, he desperately needed pro-Brexiteers around him to make it happen (by making it up as they went along) whatever ‘it’ needed to look like at the time.

What I believe happened in 2016 was that Johnson simply self servingly saw an opportunity to challenge David Cameron’s leadership, by coming out himself for ‘Remain’ by at the 11th hour. By giving his name to the Brexit campaign he was just trying to gain favour from some extreme parts of his party and electorate. He was assuming that the Remain moderates backing Cameron would actually win. He just wanted a bit of the support Farage was getting and that Cameron was losing.

Unfortunately his support as a recognisable Tory MP who also had a presence for people who just knew him as a funny guy on the tv gave some legitimacy to the Brexiters. I can imagine that voting ‘Boris’ way’ in the Ref would have entertained some of the floating voters who thought Johnson was a good laugh and just wanted to stick two fingers up at the current government but who didn’t really care either way about leaving the EU. Or ones who disliked Cameron and austerity and relied on the fact that others would vote remain to make a protest vote. So that small section of the last-minute Brexit vote outcome I do blame Johnson personally for.

Back then I’m pretty sure that Johnson would have reasonably thought that no voting majority in the UK would be stupid enough to vote for such a terrible idea as Brexit. Lots of people thought that way.

So (as we see time and time again in the Tories) it was another case of putting Self first, but then putting Party before Country next. An internal parliamentary party political game was being played, for personal gain, against the backdrop of an existing internal Tory party struggle.

And judging by what we’ve seen since of his chaotic and unprincipled character, I am really convinced Johnson was just self-servingly putting his hat in the ring as a future party leader in 2016. He doesn’t think ahead. He doesn’t want to leave the EU.
He just wanted to be seen to attract a few Brexit votes and to been admired for reducing the expected Remain majority for Cameron. He just wanted to be a future contender.

mixedrecycling · 03/02/2023 09:43

I agree that BoJo didn't expect Leave to win. He was positioning himself for a leadership race against Cameron. A narrow Remain victory would have crippled Cameron politcally, and a leadership challenge would have been inevitable shortly after. Leaving BoJo as the obvious contender.

Chevyimpala67 · 03/02/2023 10:04

My only crumb of comfort the day after the vote was seeing how scared and freaked out Gove and De Pfeffle were
Theg looked like they were about to puke

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Alexandra2001 · 03/02/2023 10:06

Back then I’m pretty sure that Johnson would have reasonably thought that no voting majority in the UK would be stupid enough to vote for such a terrible idea as Brexit. Lots of people thought that way

I thought Leave would win and argued that on the Brexit threads too, it was no surprise they did, the polling was always close and within the margin of error, the English electorate is stupid and thoughtless, i mean when given the chance to name a fantastic new scientific ship, they come out with utter nonsense.... Brexit was no different, i know folk who voted to leave based on the most bizarre reasons possible.

Down here, i knew few who supported Remain and the posters for Leave were everywhere.

As Heseltine said of him "Boris sees which way the public wind is blowing, then charges out in front shouting follow me" he chose Leave because he thought they had a better chance at winning, if he thought Russia would win in Ukraine, he'd be arguing that Russia was justified in invading.

He is the most immoral man one could ever imagine.

DowningStreetParty · 03/02/2023 10:26

In a gross way, I actually want to read Johnson’s memoirs to know how the fuck he can justify his ‘Leave’ position

I’ll get it out of the library. I’m not going to give Boris Johnson 1p if I can help it

Managed to fluff my post above- Johnson came out for LEAVE obviously.. not Remain!
If only.. I must have had a Freudian slip posting that.

verdantverdure · 03/02/2023 15:13

Whatever Boris Johnson says, it will just be more lies.

What's the point?

Brexit mega thread part 10 : what's the (s)tory? Incompetence, tax evasion, dodgy loans and economic free fall...nothing to see here...check out those sunlit uploands!
DuncinToffee · 03/02/2023 15:37

www.bylinesupplement.com/p/brexit-has-made-britain-a-more-expensive

SEVEN-IN-TEN VOTERS SAY UK IS NOW POORER AND MORE EXPENSIVE DUE TO BREXIT

EVEN LEAVE VOTERS ADMIT UK IS NOW SIGNIFICANTLY WORSE OFF

VOTERS BELIEVE THE NHS AND IMMIGRATION ARE ALSO IN A WORSE STATE DUE TO BREXIT

DrBlackbird · 03/02/2023 21:34

Not really Brexit-related, but yet another depressing example of how Johnson as PM dragged the already low Tory political bar even lower…

This article on a whistleblower fired from the FCDO states that "…her unredacted emails were accidentally published on social media by the BBC, revealing her identity."

Extreme BBC incompetence? Or a Johnson friendly BBC employee? 🤔

DuncinToffee · 03/02/2023 22:02

Raab and Case are involved as well.

HarrietPierce · 04/02/2023 18:24

Latest Chris Grey blog on Brexit.

chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.com/2023/02/three-years-of-failure.html

SerendipityJane · 04/02/2023 19:26

chat.openai.com

Seems AI has the edge over Brexiteers.

SerendipityJane · 05/02/2023 10:21

Maybe they'll think twice before churning out Tory leaders in future ?

Fladdermus · 05/02/2023 11:46

Fucking brexit!

Just heard this article on Swedish radio:

sverigesradio.se/artikel/dement-och-sangliggande-kvinna-ska-utvisas-till-england

A 74 year old, blind, bedbound British woman with Alzeimers and dementia, who's lived in Sweden for 18 years is on the brink of deportation because of brexit. Well done everyone who voted for this <slow hand clap>

HannibalHeyes · 05/02/2023 12:09

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Brexit mega thread part 10 : what's the (s)tory? Incompetence, tax evasion, dodgy loans and economic free fall...nothing to see here...check out those sunlit uploands!
HannibalHeyes · 05/02/2023 12:31

"Anti-growth coalition? F* off, we're the Left-wing Economic Establishment."

Brexit mega thread part 10 : what's the (s)tory? Incompetence, tax evasion, dodgy loans and economic free fall...nothing to see here...check out those sunlit uploands!
DrBlackbird · 05/02/2023 17:03

@HannibalHeyes 😁 on updated photo of Truss…

Sean O’Grady’s article in the Independent is spot on re Truss. Ended it by sayiny Truss is "…arrogant, treacherous to her party and her successor, embarrassing, and graceless."

What on earth was the Torygraph doing by giving her so much coverage with that huge photo? It’s as if they’ve really got it for the Tories with a spectacular own goal.

SerendipityJane · 05/02/2023 17:40

What on earth was the Torygraph doing by giving her so much coverage with that huge photo?

My first thought would be what was all that space being stolen from ?

Anyway, the Torygraph is totally team Boris. If they are pushing Truss, it will be as a stalking horse. After all she is so dim you could tell her that's what you are doing and she wouldn't grasp it.

Brexit mega thread part 10 : what's the (s)tory? Incompetence, tax evasion, dodgy loans and economic free fall...nothing to see here...check out those sunlit uploands!
SerendipityJane · 05/02/2023 17:42

Interesting to see the other jaw of the vice appear for the UK ...

eastangliabylines.co.uk/eu-is-urged-no-deals-with-uk-unless-right-to-strike-is-protected/

The UK’s controversial anti-strike law could hinder attempts to resolve the deadlock over Northern Ireland after MEPs were urged to ensure protection for workers as a condition of trade negotiations.

Peregrina · 05/02/2023 17:47

I started to read the article, by Truss, I think it was on the BBC website, and after two paragraphs I couldn't stand anymore of the silly woman's self pity.

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