Brexit mega thread part 10 : what's the (s)tory? Incompetence, tax evasion, dodgy loans and economic free fall...nothing to see here...check out those sunlit uploands!

[Chevyimpala67]

Part 10 of our long running thread.
I'm still putting my money on a spring GE.
The tory slash and burn of the UK is right on track.
Bon chance my friends!

Pointy - generally I think the Framework is good for NI which is the main thing and whilst I haven't read every paragraph and clause of it, nor ever rely on various interpretations (with links) as the complete facts; it's not a complete SM/CU arrangement is it?

There's codicils with certain powers given to Stormont. And gives the NI Political Parties a mechanism to agree enough to get back to their Democratic purpose - for the people they represent.
What's not to like.

With regards to the UK and the EU SM/CU - there was too much other 'stuff' that came with it (hence Brexit) - so yes a bad thing for the UK - but the Windsor Framework makes for less adversarial EU/UK relations.
Again, what's not to like.

I never thought that Brexit would be an instant thing, but a 'process' that would take a lot of time.

Me too.

And as far as the demise of the GFA, I rather think both the USA and the EU have been mightily disingenuous about it; the EU using it as a stick to make Brexit as hard as possible and the USA for trade deal reasons and the 'old Noraid guard' that got a lot of Democrats to power. Who just want to poke it to the UK, never mind that they've never lived in NI nor have many generations before them. Biden's old enough to be part of that 'dynamic'.

Ironically, it's those that live furthest away from NI and the ROI that have tried fucking with the GFA, the UK and ROI were happy with it, despite Brexit.

Questions answered and a bit more too - back to the grindstone for me.
Night all x

No one on here denies the Framework is an improvement. It’s still not as good for NI or the rest of the UK as being a member of the EU was.

And we still see no discernible Brexit benefits whatsoever.

@TheHateIsNotGood you're blaming the EU for our hardest of Brexits?

Remind me never to ask you a question expecting a rational answer ever again.

Oh my - according to Peregrina a lot of people's opinion about NI on this thread is worthless because they don't actually live there....er....that includes themself too I presume?

On the contrary, it was specifically your opinion which I felt was ill-informed TheHateIs. For myself I am well aware that I was not fully appraised of the situation in N Ireland but I suspect I was better informed than many. Indeed unlike many of our Politicians I have actually troubled myself to read the Good Friday Agreement. This still doesn't qualify me to sound off - hence I was asking for the opinions of NI posters.

Then you had the one time Secretary of State for NI, Karen Bradley, who never realised that people in NI voted on Sectarian lines. This is someone who was already an adult during the time of The Troubles, which featured regularly on our TV screens.

Oh gosh - not blaming anybody - naievely thought that some of the long time posters here were more open and less gnashing at the teeth if they smelt a Leaver near their 'closed zone'.

I bid you all adieu, maybe back in a year or 2.

I bid you all adieu, maybe back in a year or 2.

Feel free to stay away, my teeth are all gnashed out.

Don't go, it's quite entertaining to see the mental gymnastics required to still support Brexshit while saying that NI staying in the SM & CU is a good thing...

That was quite the word salad.

Beleave

It must be really galling to see the power the Irish American congressional caucus and voting bloc have in the US while still clinging to a desperate belief in the 'Special Relationship'.

Clearly not the EU beating the UK with the GFA stick, because the UK, with a more moderate, less ERG type PM, has negotiated a better framework... Bojo could have done exactly the same but chose not too, just as Sunak, despite the EU's positivity, isn't keen on starting talks over Horizon (to keep his party together and fuck the UK)

TBF, none of my Brexitier friends saw Brexit as a process and i don't remember any of the leave campaigns saying this and neither did you on previous pro Brexit posts you ve written over the years... its a newer word !

"Process" of course allows the Brexit side to claim Brexit is working.... when it really isn't.

Even the Windsor agreement does not allow farm animals to be exported through the Green channel, still has to go via Red and the huge associated delays... plus of course, Stormont is still not sitting.... and shows no sign of doing so.

Stormont is still not sitting.... and shows no sign of doing so.

Stormont will only sit when the first minister is from the DUP. There is no other way.

If the Saxe-Coburg framework can't be ratified, then the next 18 months will be further consumed with Brexit in parliament in one way or another. All the wheels have already come off it, so the scraping noises will simply drown out all other sounds. Cost of living ? Energy ? War in Ukraine ? Small boats (the only sort that want to come to the UK at the moment).

Coming to a parliamentary democracy near you

www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/03/02/ion-romania-ai-bot-government/

This is hilarious. It will (naturally) give the answers it is expected to give. Much like a student studying a syllabus. (Anyone who has had to study for a Microsoft qualification will know: there is a right answer, and there is a Microsoft answer. They don't always coincide, and only the latter gets you points).

I vaguely recall one of those kite-flying ideas about using "AI" to process benefit claims. Or was that lie detectors ? Or psychics ?

As predicted ...

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/03/04/chatgpt-robot-could-play-government-role-says-science-minister/

remember: if it cant' lie, it ain't AI.

Ironically, it's those that live furthest away from NI and the ROI that have tried fucking with the GFA, the UK and ROI were happy with it, despite Brexit.

You never noticed the DUP working away in the wings trying to undermine it?

Apparently BloJohnson has spoken, and decreed that Sunak's Windsor framework is not proper Brexit. So it'll be interesting to see which BeLeavers cling to "RahrahrahSunakWindsorBrexitSuccess" and which ones swivel seamlessly to "BullyingPunishmentNotRealBrexitBringBackBoris" 🧐

Ironically, it's those that live furthest away from NI and the ROI that have tried fucking with the GFA, the UK and ROI were happy with it, despite Brexit.

Hmm. Ironically, it's those who voted to completely fuck up the GFA that are complaining most loudly about the provisions necessary due to their own actions...

Speaking of Boris, it seems his father needs a knighthood.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-stanley-knighthood-honours-b2294862.html

www.mumsnet.com/talk/mumsnet_live_events/4757160-got-a-question-for-shadow-chancellor-rachel-reeves?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share

Today's News Agents podcast had an interview with his sister Rachel about that!

The latest form the Papua New Guinea Courier...

www.penews.com/articles/brexit-has-shattered-european-peace-and-democracy-warns-guy-hands-20230306

The veteran private equity boss Guy Hands has said that Brexit has not only damaged the UK’s financial services industries but shattered the peace of Europe.

In a hard-hitting op-ed written for Private Equity News, Hands says that: “The UK’s position as Europe’s leading financial services hub is at risk and the balance of peace and democracy in Europe has been shattered. My view is that Brexit is largely to blame for both.”

In the article, Hands says that he predicted as far back as 2014 that if the UK left the EU “there would be a war in Europe by 2025”.

news.sky.com/story/sir-graham-brady-to-stand-down-as-mp-at-next-election-12828068