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Brexit mega thread part 10 : what's the (s)tory? Incompetence, tax evasion, dodgy loans and economic free fall...nothing to see here...check out those sunlit uploands!

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Chevyimpala67 · 31/01/2023 12:52

Part 10 of our long running thread.
I'm still putting my money on a spring GE.
The tory slash and burn of the UK is right on track.
Bon chance my friends!

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DowningStreetParty · 03/03/2023 04:19

Isabel Oakeshott doesn’t need to be a ‘nice woman’. Hmm She’s a journalist doing her professional job. She did it in the public interest which is a legal defence to an NDA. The Torygraph aren’t subject to an NDA.

davidallengreen.com/2023/03/ndas-and-the-public-interest-a-beginners-guide-for-matt-hancock-and-others/

I’d rather know what our elected politicians are like and how they were working, given this government’s shameful record on Covid and care homes and PPE which resulted in a horrific levels of excess deaths.

Matt Hancock could have avoided all this by not employing a ghost writer to rush out his self-aggrandising memoir before he steps down as an MP- he could have solely given his evidence to the ongoing public enquiry into how the government handled Covid.

But that wouldn’t have given Hancock the chance to make loads of cash above his MP’s salary and to try to rehabilitate his terrible public image and to seek to become a long term public figure in his own right, after he steps down as a MP. He’s been hoisted by his own petard.

Oakeshott wants scoops and is personally very proBrexit so I do wonder in my more tin foil hat moments if Hancock has been personally thrown under this bus timed right now, to distract us all from the Brexit induced economic doldrums we are in and the lack of (imported) veg in the supermarkets and the horrendous cost of living crisis? Plus the government’s hypocrisy in glorying in Northern Ireland having the same rights to the EU that the Tories have carefully and (understatement) harmfully removed from the whole of the UK?

If the new framework can be feted by the government as a new attraction of investment angle into NI, what grim reality does that leave starkly unsaid about the economic prospects of the rest of post-Brexit Great Britain?

borntobequiet · 03/03/2023 07:03

Building giant CRH chooses US over London in blow to UK

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-64821560

SerendipityJane · 03/03/2023 08:48

Horizon looks like being shitcanned

www.reuters.com/world/uk/sunak-holds-back-rejoining-horizon-after-brexit-deal-ft-2023-03-03/

HannibalHeyes · 03/03/2023 08:53

I'm not sure I'd accurately describe Oakshit as a "journalist". Writing in newspapers and being a journalist are not entirely the same thing...

DrBlackbird · 03/03/2023 09:24

Oakeshott wants scoops and is personally very proBrexit and is fanatically anti-lockdown because she thinks that the virus was ‘only life threatening to a small number of people’.

Those, along with the fact that the Torygraph is now planning days of critical anti-lockdown stories and how all the Hancock material AFAIK is already with the public inquiry commission leads me to view her public interest motive as a professional journalist in a ‘aw shucks I’m just serving the public’ persona with deep cynicism. Plus, should this country ever find itself needing to enact public health measures due to some virus variant (H5N8?), it will become all that much harder to get public support thanks to her and the Torygraph, which IMO further undermines claims to a public interest motive.

So, I stand by my original evaluation, she’s not a very nice person Wink And when I say that, I’m not trying to defend the idiot Hancock. He probably only chose her because she’s an attractive blonde. But we do have to thank her for the dead pig's head story. So there’s always that.

prettybird · 03/03/2023 10:00

I agree with @DowningStreetParty that the Hancock WhatsApp messages - and the way that their release is being staggered - are a convenient squirrel to distract from the doublethink of the Windsor Agreement proving that membership of the single market is both a good thing but makes no difference to the UK economy Confused

But I also agree with @DrBlackbird that IO is a thoroughly nasty piece of work and not a credible journalist. It does bring into question WTF Hancock was thinking Hancock's judgement in choosing her as his ghost writer Shock It just proves how stupid some of our politicians are Hmm

Alexandra2001 · 03/03/2023 10:25

Yes and Oakshott is Richard Tice's girlfriend, the intelligence of Hancock must be sub normal, ignore all else, that should have been a no no & didn't he have to get Cabinet Office approval to release these Whatsapp messages to her in the first place?

However, Hancock did not operate in a bubble, he was part of cabinet govt, his views are not unique.

I think what this does show is the Govt's attitude to public service workers more generally... months of refusing to talk about pay with teachers and NHS... Coffey saying nurses can leave, we don't care...recruit abroad.... letting train strikes drag on & on...

They really do think they are better than the rest of us.

HappyHolidai · 03/03/2023 11:48

SerendipityJane · 03/03/2023 08:48

OMG just so totally horrified by this.

Scientific research funding in the UK has been utterly destroyed since Brexit and this is away back to not have totally permanently destroyed our science sector, and he is farting around and will probably decide to kill it off.

Just so angry and upset.

FT has more info.FT story

SerendipityJane · 03/03/2023 12:32

Even if the UK were to be re-accepted into join Horizon, it's unlikely to unlock the magic of scientists moving to the UK, and only accelerate the process of scientists leaving the UK. Certainly from the US. From India, and Pakistan and China (obviously) yes. However the EU is quietly upping their visas for those countries too. Which I first picked up in the IT world

www.theregister.com/2023/02/27/germany_courts_indias_it_talent/

Alexandra2001 · 03/03/2023 12:53

Horizon is an EU program which the UK would have to pay into, Sunak is already using up political capital with the EU/NI deal, hard to see him paying money to the EU to join Horizon... presumably Horizon oversight is by ECJ ?

...ARM to list on the NY Stock Exchange.

SerendipityJane · 03/03/2023 12:57

ARM to list on the NY Stock Exchange.

Which they were always going to do. They've seen what the promises made to Nissan have turned out to mean.

SerendipityJane · 03/03/2023 13:05

...and , would you buy a used law from this government ?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/mar/03/downing-street-gives-dup-legal-assurances-that-ni-will-remain-in-uk

Laws can be repealed, amended, and (as dim Hoey discovered) quietly superseded by newer laws when needed.

SerendipityJane · 03/03/2023 13:50

Related article (from vulture central, once my most trusted news source) about the UKs dismal tech strategy

www.theregister.com/2023/03/02/uk_govt_criticized_arm_founder/

I have to admit, the wheels are coming of Brexit faster than I thought. Which really does put the nutcrackers around Rishis ballbag. I am sure the discrete polling the Tories are continuously undertaking has alerted them to the change in demographics with each passing month. And that's before you factor in the bigger news yet to come (like Boris misleading parliament).

DrBlackbird · 03/03/2023 14:57

They really do think they are better than the rest of us

I’d amend this to they know that they’re better than the rest of us. They’re certainly better off than the rest of us.

pointythings · 03/03/2023 15:13

The thing is that under FPTP we get the governments that the substantial mean-spirited subset of us deserve. There's another 'should I report benefit fraud' thread running in AIBU (spoiler: it's not benefit fraud) and the number of people who are happy to subject a fellow human being to the stress of having their money stopped for however long it takes is astounding. There's a nasty streak in too many people in the UK that makes me very despondent. Sometimes I wonder if the good folk that populate these threads are the minority.

dontcallmelen · 03/03/2023 15:48

Pointy wholeheartedly agree, sometimes it depresses me more than this horrific government, the sheer glee & lack of of any empathy for fellow human beings it’s so nasty.

SerendipityJane · 03/03/2023 16:33

pointythings · 03/03/2023 15:13

The thing is that under FPTP we get the governments that the substantial mean-spirited subset of us deserve. There's another 'should I report benefit fraud' thread running in AIBU (spoiler: it's not benefit fraud) and the number of people who are happy to subject a fellow human being to the stress of having their money stopped for however long it takes is astounding. There's a nasty streak in too many people in the UK that makes me very despondent. Sometimes I wonder if the good folk that populate these threads are the minority.

Have you engaged with ChatGPT ? It can pretty much replicate an Express comments column unguided.

Christ knows what will happen when people rely on it for translation. Especially since translating from English is not symmetrical with translating into English.

"Mon aéroglisseur est plein d'anguilles ?"

"End of the road, turn left."

pointythings · 03/03/2023 18:27

@SerendipityJane I haven't interacted with ChatGPT and you aren't exactly selling me on it...

I do miss eating eels though. Smoked, the way you get them in the Netherlands.

countrygirl99 · 03/03/2023 18:38

Mmmm smoked eel. I had it first in Denmark. Ages since I've seen it here.

TheHateIsNotGood · 03/03/2023 20:35

Peregrina · 28/02/2023 21:43

The situation for the people in NI has been awful since Brexit. The NI Protocol being the main reason. It didn't have to be that way - and blame can be placed on all sides, and a lot of disingenuous politicking, but that isn't helpful.

Unless TheHateIs actually lives in NI I don't think her opinion is worth anything. Do we have any NI posters on the thread who can tell us how it really is?

As for where the blame lies - fairly and squarely on Boris Johnson's shoulders and his fellow travellers like Rees-Mogg.

Oh my - according to Peregrina a lot of people's opinion about NI on this thread is worthless because they don't actually live there....er....that includes themself too I presume?

Doesn't matter as I still think the Windsor Framework is a great improvement for everybody - including appeasing the US ex-Noraid contingent that's got Biden by his balls.

pointythings · 03/03/2023 20:51

@TheHateIsNotGood have you come back to answer the question I asked you earlier about why being in the Single Market and Customs Union is good but bad for the rest of the UK? I'd really like to know.

pointythings · 03/03/2023 20:54

*good for NI but bad for the rest of the UK

(Sorry, laptop keyboard is wonky)

Alexandra2001 · 03/03/2023 21:08

Doesn't matter as I still think the Windsor Framework is a great improvement for everybody - including appeasing the US ex-Noraid contingent that's got Biden by his balls

Biden like any sensible person, wants the GFA to stay, its demise would be bad for all of us.... you of course voted to put the GFA at risk, or as the New Quiz put it... Brexit forced people (like you) to realise NI isn't in East Anglia.

Chevyimpala67 · 03/03/2023 21:14

Alexandra2001 · 03/03/2023 21:08

Doesn't matter as I still think the Windsor Framework is a great improvement for everybody - including appeasing the US ex-Noraid contingent that's got Biden by his balls

Biden like any sensible person, wants the GFA to stay, its demise would be bad for all of us.... you of course voted to put the GFA at risk, or as the New Quiz put it... Brexit forced people (like you) to realise NI isn't in East Anglia.

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