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Brexit mega thread part 10 : what's the (s)tory? Incompetence, tax evasion, dodgy loans and economic free fall...nothing to see here...check out those sunlit uploands!

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Chevyimpala67 · 31/01/2023 12:52

Part 10 of our long running thread.
I'm still putting my money on a spring GE.
The tory slash and burn of the UK is right on track.
Bon chance my friends!

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mathanxiety · 24/02/2023 01:28

There's actually no problem with the Protocol. It works fine.

There's no problem with the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice.

NI voted by a margin of 56 to 44 iirc to stay in the EU. In order to achieve that result, the Remain campaign persuaded a lot of unionist voters to cast a vote to remain. The Unionist parties had campaigned to Leave.

The problem is that the DUP doesn't like it, and the DUP is always that tail that wags the Tory dog.

DuncinToffee · 24/02/2023 14:47

twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1629075719404851201?t=JZFscx1MjVHpohdikECuJw&s=19

Exclusive:

Foreign students will be banned from bringing family members to UK unless they study 'high value' courses under govt plans

They will only be allowed to bring dependents for certain courses ie science & if they're studying for more than a year

dontcallmelen · 24/02/2023 18:48

mathanxiety · 24/02/2023 01:28

There's actually no problem with the Protocol. It works fine.

There's no problem with the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice.

NI voted by a margin of 56 to 44 iirc to stay in the EU. In order to achieve that result, the Remain campaign persuaded a lot of unionist voters to cast a vote to remain. The Unionist parties had campaigned to Leave.

The problem is that the DUP doesn't like it, and the DUP is always that tail that wags the Tory dog.

This in a nutshell, it’s not complicated at all.
Just the DUP doing what the DUP does unfortunately.

HannibalHeyes · 24/02/2023 19:55

The latest from the Papua New Guinea Courier...

Brexit mega thread part 10 : what's the (s)tory? Incompetence, tax evasion, dodgy loans and economic free fall...nothing to see here...check out those sunlit uploands!
DuncinToffee · 24/02/2023 20:13

Brilliant Grin

SerendipityJane · 24/02/2023 20:40

Potholes ...

www.capetownetc.com/activism/video-themba-robins-satire-on-potholes-in-south-africa-goes-viral/

A South African colleague cracked up at the dig about cut springs. Apparently it's a thing in some parts of Jo'burg. They just taught me the word naartjie.

verdantverdure · 25/02/2023 16:37

Is that Papua New Guinea thing satire or real? It's so hard to tell lately? It's satire right?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/feb/25/ports-france-ireland-brexit-cherbourg-rosslare

RafaistheKingofClay · 25/02/2023 16:40

It is satire. It’s done by Secret Tory on Twitter. I think.

HannibalHeyes · 25/02/2023 23:08

I can't believe the BBC are still lying so fucking obviously about Brexit!

Adult learning threatened by EU funding cuts Apparently it's the EU's fault that we're losing Eu funding...

borntobequiet · 26/02/2023 06:13

HannibalHeyes · 25/02/2023 23:08

I can't believe the BBC are still lying so fucking obviously about Brexit!

Adult learning threatened by EU funding cuts Apparently it's the EU's fault that we're losing Eu funding...

It’s a very poorly written headline, I agree.
At the time of the Referendum I worked for a public education provider that ran some big adult training programmes funded by the ESF. I know at least three of my managers voted to Leave. I have no idea what they were thinking. Idiots.

DowningStreetParty · 26/02/2023 08:07

Oh goodness. I’m so sick of people not talking about the elephant in the bloody room. Brexit is a bloody disaster for the UK. Damage unfolding over years to come. Look at the current struggle to maintain future peace, stability and prosperity for Northern Ireland who didn’t even want Brexit.

I’m still shockable by the colossal cost of Brexit on so many levels, and the hollowness of the victory and the pinched miserableness of the whole stupid Brexiteer project. The Tory party leadership power struggles and membership splits and bare faced lying that led to the referendum, then to taking the whole of the UK’s economy and future prospects down, is outrageous. How do they get away with it?

Brexit is doing a million times worse damage to our country’s economy and future than even the incredibly damaging Liz Truss economic project ever did. How are the Tories still standing? why are Labour and the Lib Dems making no headway on Brexit? Why aren’t more people, whichever way they voted at the referendum, angry about the lies upon lies that got us to that result?

That news report is just one example and it’s devastating. A brilliant training and work project offering opportunities for disabled people is having to reduce its services massively. I hope they get loads of media coverage about this.

The Tories promised everyone sunlit uplands after Brexit. This Tory government needs to bloody well make it happen since Brexit was their own terrible idea and must replace that EU training funding stat.

As well as the transformative employment prospects for the individuals concerned in Bristol, my confident prediction is that it would cost the public purse a lot less to find some training funding, than to fund those adults not being able to find work and not being able to make a social and financial contribution to society by having a more economically independent life, which would benefit everyone nationally. It’s so frustrating!

mixedrecycling · 26/02/2023 09:21

why are Labour and the Lib Dems making no headway on Brexit? Why aren’t more people, whichever way they voted at the referendum, angry about the lies upon lies that got us to that result?

I think it comes down to the fact that no-one likes to admit they were wrong.

Yes, they were lied to but a lot of those lies were called out at the time and millions of people chose to believe the lies and label reality as 'project fear'. The damage was predictable, and was predicted.

So there is no 'headway on Brexit' because no-one is going to win over voters by pointing out how stupid they were in 2016.

DuncinToffee · 26/02/2023 09:47

Byline Times article on the BBC

The BBC has a huge problem. It doesn’t believe it’s job it to tell its audience when it is being lied to by the Government’
bylinetimes.com/2023/02/24/cropped-out-the-curious-tale-of-the-bbc-brexit-and-our-missing-vegetables/

DowningStreetParty · 26/02/2023 09:55

my take away isn’t stupidity but being lied to about the benefits of Brexit and a shamefully large proportion of the electorate feeling like 2016 politics had failed them and things couldn’t get much worse/wanting to register one in the eye to David Cameron .

DuncinToffee · 26/02/2023 10:07

It's like to whole country is being held hostage by the ERG

DowningStreetParty · 26/02/2023 10:32

Exactly! Totally agree Duncin

I know what you mean mixedrecycling sometimes it feels like we’ll have to wait a generation to feel we can talk about rejoining to EU again. But then I have good days and see the political cycle turning ever more quickly than it has in the past. I think we only need to be one Labour leader past Starmer and then it could happen. I feel like he’s kind of Labour’s Theresa May, handed (possibly) power but also handed the short straw.

I do worry that Labour still haven’t got to the bottom of the continuing issue of the party not acknowledging and not understanding to its absolute core why some Labour voters were persuaded to turn against the EU or why some of them voted out simply because it was a change. Or why they did so to piss off Cameron and all the major parties, or why they believed all the Bus Lies about more money going to the NHS. Or why some of them just didn’t feel like Blairism followed by Tory Austerity had worked for them at all and in 2016 in desperation said, a plague on all your houses, ‘things can’t get any worse for me and my community than they already are’.

It sort of feels like there was an active wilful political failure of the electorate on the right and a passive wilful one on the left and until all of that is reckoned with, Labour can’t move on convincingly. or maybe more realistically until there is a new leader of Labour then Labour can remake the case and move on from past mistakes and failures, with a plan for the future.

SerendipityJane · 26/02/2023 10:40

So there is no 'headway on Brexit' because no-one is going to win over voters by pointing out how stupid they were in 2016.

Which is why the Churchill-Eisenhower doctrine of total victory needs to be applied and maintained. The Brexiteers need to be driven back completely to whence they came and nuked from space. And since the "whence they came" is the Tory party, that's the task. Luckily it's doing it itself.

You do this by making it clear that the first hint of a loss of confidence (i.e. a vote in parliament that can't get a Tory majority) and it's off to the King that day. And unlike the faux Boris plot that the palace would not have supported, this would be a legitimate dissolving of parliament. With every Tory that loses their seat in the subsequent election knowing it was the ERG that was responsible.

You know that FTPA ? It really should start to be the case that some Torie wished it was still in place.

SerendipityJane · 26/02/2023 10:42

It sort of feels like there was an active wilful political failure of the electorate on the right and a passive wilful one on the left

A direct and desired result of FPTP. Where a dead parrot could win as long as it had the right rosette.

RafaistheKingofClay · 27/02/2023 19:07

This ‘single market’ thing Rishi is on about for NI sounds like it has loads of benefits. We should probably join that.

Exasperatednow · 27/02/2023 19:35

Did any of you listen to Hoey and Tice on LBC - Andrew Marrs. Sigh. The ever mythical benefits of Brexit and how we are now not going to be able to take advantage of them. It's going to go on for ever. Grim.

DuncinToffee · 27/02/2023 19:35

The Northern Ireland Protocol bill has been dumped.

DuncinToffee · 27/02/2023 19:44

Exasperatednow · 27/02/2023 19:35

Did any of you listen to Hoey and Tice on LBC - Andrew Marrs. Sigh. The ever mythical benefits of Brexit and how we are now not going to be able to take advantage of them. It's going to go on for ever. Grim.

No I didn't but I did catch Steve Baker on radii 4 saying this
“What an extraordinary opportunity for Northern Ireland: dual access to both markets.”

And he said he isn't stupid

Lonelycrab · 27/02/2023 19:45

Quite a big day really.

It was nice for a change, to see the HOC more respectful, honest and calm instead of the usual braying.

borntobequiet · 27/02/2023 20:05

I caught Steve Baker earlier too and concluded that he’d had a brain transplant. It was unnerving.

Notonthestairs · 27/02/2023 20:07

RafaistheKingofClay · 27/02/2023 19:07

This ‘single market’ thing Rishi is on about for NI sounds like it has loads of benefits. We should probably join that.

Sounds like it would be a vote winner Grin

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