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Brexit mega thread part 10 : what's the (s)tory? Incompetence, tax evasion, dodgy loans and economic free fall...nothing to see here...check out those sunlit uploands!

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Chevyimpala67 · 31/01/2023 12:52

Part 10 of our long running thread.
I'm still putting my money on a spring GE.
The tory slash and burn of the UK is right on track.
Bon chance my friends!

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HannibalHeyes · 21/02/2023 23:55

Given it was set up offshore in Gibraltar, probably Zahawi...

DrBlackbird · 22/02/2023 13:11

DuncinToffee · 21/02/2023 20:03

UK government accused of reversing pledges to protect research spending, after £1.6 billion of unused funds earmarked for association to the European Union’s research programme was returned to the Treasury,

twitter.com/timeshighered/status/1628076082321666053?t=Co16cR1frbVTPceg_3sVKw&s=19

Ah that’s where the mysterious ’extra’ money came from to buy off striking workers. That wasn’t a good look for Rish…

SerendipityJane · 22/02/2023 18:06

The irony of the UK suffering food shortages after a Home Secretary threatened to starve Ireland isn't lost on this poster.

I have a sneaking suspicion - to paraphrase one R. Reagan - "We ain't seen nothing yet".

verdantverdure · 23/02/2023 01:05

Save British Farming chair Liz Webster: “The reason we have food shortages in Britain, and we don’t have food shortages in Spain – or anywhere else in the EU – is because of Brexit, and because government has no interest in food production....”

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/food-shortages-supermarket-rationing-uk-b2287357.html

mathanxiety · 23/02/2023 01:57

@HannibalHeyes if only it weren't so tragically true.

prettybird · 23/02/2023 08:33

It took until last night for the BBC to mention Brexit as a contributing factor in the vegetable shortages on the news Hmm

If it weren't so serious, it would be funny, the contortions they go to to avoid mentioning the elephant in the room Confused

Alexandra2001 · 23/02/2023 09:23

prettybird · 23/02/2023 08:33

It took until last night for the BBC to mention Brexit as a contributing factor in the vegetable shortages on the news Hmm

If it weren't so serious, it would be funny, the contortions they go to to avoid mentioning the elephant in the room Confused

Its almost as if the media is scared of upsetting the Government.........

SerendipityJane · 23/02/2023 09:59

Any number of specialist media outlets are less scared.

www.retailgazette.co.uk/blog/2023/02/sainsburys-brexit

Sainsbury’s former CEO Justin King blames Brexit as grocers ration fruit and veg

In tech there is fuck all "debate" about how shit Brexit was as an idea, and how it's going, and where it's leading us.

SerendipityJane · 23/02/2023 11:01

Interesting analysis of Sunaks failure over NI

inews.co.uk/opinion/brexit-deal-rishi-sunak-politics-2166216

OK, it's not yet been declared a failure. But it's coughing up blood.

HappyHolidai · 23/02/2023 12:19

Isn't the reason that all the NI discussions end up in the same place because there is only really one broad set of parameters which can be stretched to make the whole thing work.

And the Tory Brexiters & DUP stamping their feet and shouting about how they don't WAAAANT it doesn't actually change that. They just have no interest in actually reaching a resolution; all they want is to keep saying "No" for ever.

Alexandra2001 · 23/02/2023 12:33

Can't have Brexit AND satisfy everyone in NI and the Tory party.

GFA was an incredible act of diplomacy and people like Johnson (& Sunak, keen Brexitier) were and still are prepared to wreck the GFA for their own political aims.

SerendipityJane · 23/02/2023 12:54

Isn't the reason that all the NI discussions end up in the same place because there is only really one broad set of parameters which can be stretched to make the whole thing work.

The article I linked was spot on pointing out constants and variables. Much better than (for example) the BBC on pointing out that the DUP voted for the very protocol they now claim to have problems with.

If Sunak had any qualities that would have got him elected as PM (he doesn't and he wasn't) then he'd just put whatever he agrees to a vote and say if it can't get a majority Tory backing it's off to the King and a general election. No ifs, buts or maybes. Something Theresa May couldn't do because of the FTPA the Tories scrapped.

HappyHolidai · 23/02/2023 13:06

I couldn't see the article: got part way through and disappeared behind pop-up hell, unfortunately.

SerendipityJane · 23/02/2023 13:09

The Brexit deal has shown how truly awful Rishi Sunak is at politics

Academics like me tend to think in terms of constants and variables. Variables, well, vary. Constants do not. It’s worth being clear about this given the confusion surrounding the ongoing saga around the Northern Ireland Protocol. Observers – and potentially the Prime Minister himself – have got their constants and variables muddled up. Hence (though I’d be delighted to be proven wrong) we’ve reached another impasse. Or, rather, arrived at precisely the same impasse, again.

Let’s start with the one massive constant here. The Protocol itself has not been rewritten or revised, let along scrapped. The EU has steadfastly refused to countenance revisiting it. Therefore, the text remains as it was when Boris Johnsons negotiated and signed it. The issues it raised at the time are still with us today.

And those issues were as clear then as they are now, not least in the Impact Assessment of the Government’s European Union (Withdrawal Agreement) Bill of 2019. It’s all in there: the need for goods arriving in Northern Ireland from Great Britain to undergo regulatory checks; for Border Inspection Posts to check agri-food goods; for import declarations and export summary declarations. And so on and so forth.

So, the Protocol is still in place. What appears to have changed (and I’m discussing an arrangement that remains a closely guarded secret here) is how that document will be implemented. Both the UK and EU appeared to have made concessions – on supplying real-time data and allowing separate “lanes” for goods entering and remaining in Northern Ireland, respectively. This will ease GB-NI trade – no mean feat – though I remain sceptical that it will remove the need for all checks or paperwork.

As for governance, whatever tweaks are made to the role of the EU’s court or to satisfy demands that Northern Ireland should have a say over the laws which govern it, there remains another constant. Some EU law will apply in Northern Ireland, or there will have to be a border between it and the Republic to the south. No non-member state will get a vote on those laws. And the ultimate arbiter of them will remain the European Court of Justice.

So some slight variation in terms of how the Protocol will function in practice, but the basic principles will remain as they were.

Which brings us to the politics. The key obstacle to a resolution of the dispute over the Protocol to date has been the opposition of the Democratic Unionist Party in Northern Ireland and of Brexiters in the Conservative Party.

The signs to date are not encouraging. Early signs are that Tory Brexiters have not been convinced. And today at Prime Minister’s Questions today, the DUP’s Jeffrey Donaldson demanded that the Prime Minister rewrite the “legally binding treaty text” – mistaking a constant for a variable.

It seems that the UK Government and the EU can come to an agreement on how to make the current Protocol work better. But they’re going to struggle to do so in a way which convinces the key political constituencies here. And, while no formal vote on any deal that maintains the Protocol is legally necessary, aggravating large sections of his own party would hardly strengthen Rishi Sunak’s already fragile position.

All of which begs the question: what the hell has the Prime Minister been up to? Did he really think he could simply tweak the current deal and get away with it? Has he not at least come up with some kind of offer for his potential opponents that might make them consider supporting him in return for other concessions? Had he not watched the events of the last few years and learned any lessons from them?

It’s all conducive to a profound sense of déjà vu. Like David Cameron and Theresa May before him, it seems that Sunak has negotiated a deal he is slightly ashamed to spell out to his own troops, let alone defend to the hilt. Once again, the trade-offs that Brexit imposes are left implicit rather than being confronted: if the UK is outside the single market and the customs union, there must either be a border within the island of Ireland or between Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Little wonder that, once again, we seem set to have arrived at a Brexit impasse.

Anand Menon is Director of UK in a Changing Europe

HappyHolidai · 23/02/2023 13:43

Thanks. So when will the DUP and Brexit-enthusiasts allow reality into their world view?

SerendipityJane · 23/02/2023 13:58

HappyHolidai · 23/02/2023 13:43

Thanks. So when will the DUP and Brexit-enthusiasts allow reality into their world view?

They won't. Ever. So you really do need to navigate around them.

Personally if I were Sunak, I'd just tell them that whatever I come up with can go to a referendum in the Province and they are free to campaign as they see fit and abide by the results.

HannibalHeyes · 23/02/2023 17:41

Environment Sec Therese Coffey suggests people complaining about the tomato shortage should consider eating turnips instead, saying it's 'important we cherish the specialisms we have in this country'

I wonder if they would have won if they'd put that on the side of a bus...

countrygirl99 · 23/02/2023 20:14

But what nitwits like Theresa Coffey apparently don't understand is that the turnips available were planted last year in sufficient quantities to meet the market another stood then and can't ve expanded until next winter. In the meantime, if everyone turned to turnips, there would be a severe shortage.

RafaistheKingofClay · 23/02/2023 20:41

The same goes for all the people saying their local greengrocer is well stocked. He is now but the only supermarket in town is virtually empty in the fruit & veg section. Pretty sure the greengrocer isn’t prepared to supply the fruit & veg requirements of all 12k people here. Even with the local food bank starting their own veg garden last year.

SerendipityJane · 23/02/2023 20:46

I started the Therese Coffey thread in chat to prove to myself that you can evade Ai powered bots if you cunningly look like you are promoting cuntthink, rather than arguing with it

I owe myself a Wine

FrankieStein403 · 23/02/2023 20:58

Let them eat turnips - has a fin de siecle ring to it, we can but hope.

quiteathome · 23/02/2023 21:01

Place marking with a turnip.

Only there weren't any of those either.

I should probably go and work a bit harder.

RafaistheKingofClay · 23/02/2023 21:24

SerendipityJane · 23/02/2023 20:46

I started the Therese Coffey thread in chat to prove to myself that you can evade Ai powered bots if you cunningly look like you are promoting cuntthink, rather than arguing with it

I owe myself a Wine

I think you owe the rest of us Wine because you’ve triggered some people. The people who hate the undeserving poor on UC seem to be turning up.

Crikeyalmighty · 23/02/2023 22:57

It's quite clear there have been some challenges weather wise but the main factor is when there's only so much to go around , the UK is now at the bottom of the pile for imports. EU truck companies find trading post Brexit a fag and they have plenty of needy customers from within the EU when anything is in slightly shorter supply. And I suspect that many non EU countries that supply prioritise the EU too

Peregrina · 24/02/2023 00:00

Let them eat turnips - has a fin de siecle ring to it, we can but hope.

Not quite the same ring as 'Let them eat cake'.

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