Genuine question - what does anyone like about Brexit?

[Pipsquiggle]

I have always been a committed remainer - I work in an industry that depends on seamless logisitics, particularly entering / leaving the UK. Brexit is a shit show for my sector.

Just had to pay £96.80 to UPS to release a package that I'd paid express delivery for, that should've arrived 2 days ago - I'm pissed off. The German firm has already agreed to reimburse me but it's all such a ball ache.

So I have a very bleak outlook when it comes to Brexit.

Genuinely, I would like to hear of good news stories around Brexit.
How has it made your life better?
If your pay has increased - how much by and which industry are you in?
If there has been a legal upside for you - which law and how has it helped?

I am genuinely hoping to 'reframe' my thoughts / feelings on Brexit and was hoping this board could help me

As does Murdoch

Brexit benefit: cheap meat, and a cull of the less useful members of society offed by a spectrum of food poisonings.

I'm starting to get behind Brexit. Hopefully the substandard electrical goods will be next. I'm guessing that's why ChatGPT suggested buying shares in fire alarm manufacturers ?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68244374

The effort being put into things like the above, is not effort which could be put into making things better for the population at large. Regardless of where the facility is built, what else could be built if that didn't need to be built? I.e for economists - what is the Opportunity Cost?

And honestly anyone who thinks that all lorry drivers will dutifully drive to the new biosecurity inspection place is a fool.

@DuncinToffee That doesn't mean they can't overtake the UK's economy

If that were to happen, would it be attribtutable to Poland's efforts, or that they received a mountain of free money from the EU members that are net contributors?

Spending someone else's money is easy.

@GlobeTrotter2000

Here something for you to read (and note that Poland has changed governments since this was written)

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/when-poland-overtakes-the-uk/

Indeed- the gvt are absolute experts on it having spent vast amounts on HS2 that they aren't finishing off, track and trace- a mere trifle at 37 billion, Brexit which has so far cost the economy 300 billion and baroness Mones little bungs at £200 million or so. (Of which £60 million was to her)

I accept Poland had a ton of EU money, but we had a ton of benefit to the economy too, Manchester and Liverpool for instance were hugely invested in with a great deal of EU money. That money is no more and if the UK was actually putting substantial money into things were there is no longer EU money then it might not be so noticeable- my personal view is that EU money was funnelled far too much into the big city's and not nearly enough into small city's and larger towns-

The UK is becoming like Australia without the bonus of good weather and much higher wages . I've not met one person who hasn't been to Oz and is shocked by the expense .

And honestly anyone who thinks that all lorry drivers will dutifully drive to the new biosecurity inspection place is a fool.

I hope they don't. We have to get that cheap meat into the UK somehow. Otherwise what was the point of it all.

Besides, maggots are an excellent source of protein.

@SerendipityJane and to be frank I'm a lot keener on buying British meat given that our farmers are struggling to export - ( you know that old chestnut sold to them that 'nothing would change' ) when we lived in Copenhagen British produce vanished off the shelves almost totally in February 2021-never to return- that was mainly fresh stuff but also general goods too.

This thread has been running for 3 months. An excellent example of the many, multifaceted benefits of Brexit, every day brings a new benefits. For the moment I can’t think of any for today, or the previous 2785 days.

and to be frank I'm a lot keener on buying British meat given that our farmers are struggling to export -

Well if you can afford it, go for it.

In simple terms, that!

With regard our struggling Leave voting farmers, fuck them, they knew what they voted for. I'll reserve my sympathy for all the remain voters their stupidity have affected.

@SerendipityJane I can- but still think Brexit is a totally pointless excercise.

The most pessimistic predictions that Brexit would spark economic armageddon and leave Britons struggling for their food supply have not come to pass, however

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-uk-economy-cost-damage-b2491585.html

@DuncinToffee

Read the article about Poland in detail and it records that Poland may not be able to rely on EU funding in the future.

@Crikeyalmighty I accept Poland had a ton of EU money, but we had a ton of benefit to the economy too, Manchester and Liverpool for instance were hugely invested in with a great deal of EU money.

UK was a net contributor. So, money from the EU was funded from what the UK had already paid into the EU. Poland, however, have been a net taker since they joined the EU and will continue to be a net taker for decades, possibly even centuries if inflation is taken into account.

@Kendodd With regard our struggling Leave voting farmers, fuck them, they knew what they voted for.

The farmers in the EU are complaining too. Link is:

EU faces pressure to defuse mounting anger as farmers protest across Europe | Euronews

GlobeTrotter2000
Pay attention at the back there.

I posted about how farmers in Dover had taken their cue from the French two days ago.

@GlobeTrotter2000 that's rather simplistic though- yes we were effectively getting some of our own money back but also in my opinion hugely easier export/import ( we export). Lots of people imply it was kind of 'all money outwards' - that really want the case. - we will never agree on this topic though so I won't argue on it - but I will say if Poland are doing that well they should be starting to be net contributors! If they aren't then yes the EU needs to be looking at their criteria. .

Ireland, after many years of being a net recipient of EU funds, have, for a number of years, been a net contributor and is happy to be so, as evidence of the benefit to its economy that EU membership brought

Very interesting article about Poland. Economy is booming , but it’s still young economy, a lot to catch up. “Some areas in UK are already poorer then Poland”. Which areas? Let’s compare like with like; some neglected areas in North-East are poorer then Krakow. If Poland is doing so fantastic economically , they should to start to contribute more.
There’re signs Polish government makes the same mistakes UK did a while ago. Poland already has one of the biggest child benefits in Europe, 800PLN, about £130 per month paid for every child , no means tested. There’re plans to introduce pension for mothers, who never worked in their live, but had at least four children. Even government payments to grandparents for looking after their children. Polish version of Help To Buy has been introduced causing big increase of property prices. I wonder how long is before “benefit culture” will become a norm in Poland and how many people won’t be able to afford their homes.

I would certainly take issue with the statement that universal Child Benefit is a mistake. Children are our future - one of the problems we have are that we are an aging society, without the younger people to do the jobs which require harder labour, and generally make very much less demands on health services.

At one time, not many decades ago bringing up a family was regarded as a job, so logically paying a pension to a woman who has done that isn't so far fetched.

But then you go on bash people on 'welfare'. Again post war, that we had a safety net for the poorest in society was seen a civilised measure. When challended people who make those statements usually can't point to actual examples.

Whether Help to Buy is a good thing is debatable - having decent housing available at reasonable rents is a perfectly good option. Or having housing available that can be bought by people on an average wage.

Our mistakes are 'Buy to Let', allowing Council House sales without allowing Local Authorities to replace them, general impoverishment of the basic infrastructure of society plus tax cuts for the already wealthy. We could also
talk about there being apparently no money, but somehow when Covid struck, the Tories managed to find money for their mates. VIP Lanes and Michelle Mone immediately spring to mind.

Now four years ago you could have blamed this all on the EU. Now that excuse is gone, and it can be seen that it's been a political choice by successive Westminster Governments.

This week's Brexit reality check:

Latest Goldman Sachs report: The UK economy is now 5% smaller (not 4% as previously forecast) due to Brexit. And EU immigration is now negative.
That's around £50bn less in tax revenue each year which could have funded the NHS, schools, housing etc.