Genuine question - what does anyone like about Brexit?

[Pipsquiggle]

I have always been a committed remainer - I work in an industry that depends on seamless logisitics, particularly entering / leaving the UK. Brexit is a shit show for my sector.

Just had to pay £96.80 to UPS to release a package that I'd paid express delivery for, that should've arrived 2 days ago - I'm pissed off. The German firm has already agreed to reimburse me but it's all such a ball ache.

So I have a very bleak outlook when it comes to Brexit.

Genuinely, I would like to hear of good news stories around Brexit.
How has it made your life better?
If your pay has increased - how much by and which industry are you in?
If there has been a legal upside for you - which law and how has it helped?

I am genuinely hoping to 'reframe' my thoughts / feelings on Brexit and was hoping this board could help me

Who I wonder is Leasdom trying to kid?

Probably the 2016 Leadsom who insisted that UK businesses would have exactly the same access to the single market after Brexit.

https://x.com/BestForBritain/status/1752623767157702991?s=20

I don't know if Leasdom is involved in any business, but if so, I would not be at all upset if Brexit caused its bankruptcy. I know you shouldn't wish misfortune on others but here she is seven years on, conveniently forgetting what she said then.

The thing that pisses me off the most about it is they completely get away with it. No Leave voter ever tries to hold them to account for the lies they were told, they just continue to support them.
Maybe it's because they're embarrassed to have fallen for it. Or maybe it's because they're just complete doormats and Brexit politicians know they can tell them anything with no come back. I wonder if the likes of Johnson and Rees-Mogg laugh at their voters, and all the lies they can tell them in private? Leave voters alway complain Remains call them stupid, but fuck me, its your own side who really take the piss out of you. Dominic Cummings is actually on record calling Leave voters thick, for some reason, they don't seem to mind that though. It's only if Remainers do the same they object.

It's instructive to see how other countries have dealt with similar acts of self harm.

Apparently, if you studied German history before around 1990, the narrative was that in 1933 a giant spaceship came down, the Nazi got out, and then got back in and all fucked off in 1945.

(I learned this from a fascinating podcast about the cultural significance of Sophie Scholl and the white rose movement).

@Kendodd Dominic Cummings is actually on record calling Leave voters thick

I can find:

The former head of the Vote Leave campaign has branded the Brexit Secretary as “thick as mince” and “as lazy as a toad”.

But I am unable to find a record of Dominic Cummings saying the same about all 17.4 million who voted leave in 2016. Please provide a link.

No Leave voter ever tries to hold them to account for the lies they were told, they just continue to support them.

To make that statement, you must know all those who voted leave. Is that correct?

I wonder if the likes of Johnson and Rees-Mogg laugh at their voters, and all the lies they can tell them in private?

Send them an email to find out?

JRM will be on GBeebiesNews at 8pm to discuss the great benefits of Brexit.

It was in a speech he made back in about 2017 (available on you tube). Speech is about 45 minutes long, I'll see if I can find it later. He talks about how voters didn't have a clue about what brexit meant or sm or cu and so that's why Vote Leave didn't talk about those things and stuck to NHS, Turkey, having no say, unelected bureaucrats etc (all lies of course). The remain side, perhaps overestimating the knowledge and intelligence of the voters and did talk about sm and cu. So far from Remain thinking Leave voters were thick, it was actually the Leave side who thought that and tailored the message accordingly.

Also available on YouTube is Aaron Banks (where's he now... Russia ?) describing how he 'took their hand (Leave voters) and led them down the garden path' . Saying it all in front of MPs with a big smirk on his face.

The people who sold brexit, they absolutely took the piss out of the people who voted for it. And continue to do so .

@GlobeTrotter2000 did you vote leave?
If so, do you think you were lied to by the leave campaign?

@Kendodd

The leaflet, prepared by remain, said that a vote to leave would mean leaving the SM.

@Pipsquiggle

Remain, and the Treasurey, made the statement that a vote to leave would result in:

500,000-800,000 jobs being lost
GDP would fall by 4% by Q2 2018
There would be an emergency budget which would cripple the UK

None of it happened. Unemployment has reduced since 2015 from 5.5% to 4.2%
Remain have since stated that the 4% drop in GDP will now happen by 2035. So, remain have moved the goalposts by 17 years.

Remain have since stated that the 4% drop in GDP will now happen by 2035. So, remain have moved the goalposts by 17 years.

Are you sure?

https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/brexit-analysis/#assumptions

The post-Brexit trading relationship between the UK and EU, as set out in the ‘Trade and Cooperation Agreement’ (TCA) that came into effect on 1 January 2021, will reduce long-run productivity by 4 per cent relative to remaining in the EU. This largely reflects our view that the increase in non-tariff barriers on UK-EU trade acts as an additional impediment to the exploitation of comparative advantage.

Both exports and imports will be around 15 per cent lower in the long run than if the UK had remained in the EU. The size of this adjustment is calibrated to match the average estimate of a number of external studies that considered the impact of leaving the EU on the volume of UK-EU trade

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/eu_referendum_2016_/4675301-genuine-question-what-does-anyone-like-about-brexit?page=26&reply=132683118

Most academic analysis suggests that Brexit is at least partly responsible. Using synthetic differences-in-differences, Du et al. (2023) find that Brexit has had a large and continuing negative impact on UK goods exports, with particularly large impacts on smaller firms. Confirming this with more qualitative evidence, Bailey et al. (2023) find that the “imposition of new non-tariff barriers through Brexit has proved particularly challenging to smaller firms in manufacturing supply chains”.

https://bylinetimes.com/2023/01/17/the-brexit-lies-that-literally-made-us-all-poorer/

The Express reported in November 2015 of an economist claiming that quitting the EU would cause the cost of living to fall by 8%. Professor Patrick Minford, a free marketeer beloved by Liz Truss, wrote that post-Brexit Britain “would receive a welfare gain of 4% of GDP, with consumer prices falling 8%”. This is bunkum, but Minford still keeps his professorship, no matter how wrong he was.

https://www.niesr.ac.uk/publications/revisiting-effect-brexit?type=global-economic-outlook-topical-feature

Our estimates further suggest that three years after the transition period, UK real GDP is some 2-3 per cent lower due to Brexit, compared to a scenario where the United Kingdom retained EU membership. This corresponds to a per capita income loss of approximately £850.

Are these the same experts who predicted 500,000 to 800,000 job losses just by by a vote to leave and GDP would have shrunk 4% by 2018 before the Uk had left the EU?

You tell us, who made those predictions?

UK treasury

HM Treasury analysis: the immediate economic impacy of leaving the EU (publishing.service.gov.uk)

These scenarios are modeled on the assumption that we would trigger Article 50 immediately after the referendum, which did not happen.

The scenarios are not wrong though, are they? Just delayed.

The treasury report made the statement:

In the immediate aftermath of a vote to leave

No reference is made to trigger of Article 50.

The actual title is The Immediate Economic Impact of Leaving the EU

We didn't officially leave until 31 Jan 2020 after article 50 was triggered in 2017 and 3 extensions later.

Are you saying Brexit has been a success so far?

Didn't the BoE have to pump billions in the prop up the pound the next day?

@DuncinToffee

The actual title is The Immediate Economic Impact of Leaving the EU

The content is more relevant than the title. Ever heard of the phrase "never judge a book by its cover"

The treasury report stated that UK's demise would commence Q3 2016, which is 1 July 2016 and there would be between 500,000 and 800,000 jobs lost. GDP would have shrunk by 4%. UK would be in recession and an emergency budget would have happened that would have destroyed the UK by Q2 2018, which is 30 June 2018.

This would have been the transition period had Article 50 been triggered immediately. So, Treasury was saying that UK would collapse whilst still in EU.

Are you saying Brexit has been a success so far?

Well, it was not the instant disaster forecast by remain . Since 2015, UK unemployment has reduced from 5.5% to 4.2%. Also, since 2019, the NHS has received additional funding of 5.6% in real terms which excludes emergency relief for COVID. I don't remember any recessions either.

Since 2020, I have been paid in Euros and have repesented Dutch and French energy companies. So, the myth that once the UK left the EU it would be impossible for UK citizens to work in the EU was yet more project fear.

Long terms Visas, for those who do not wish to adhere to the 90/180 Schengen limits, can be obtained in two weeks with a sponsorship letter from the employer. If EU employers can't be bothered to obtain such Visas, they never wanted you to begin with.

Some people may be worse off after Brexit, but there is no evidence to prove that the entire country wants to rejoin the EU. That the Labour Party are not campaigning to rejoin tells me they know its not what peole want.

@Kendodd Didn't the BoE have to pump billions in the prop up the pound the next day?

Was it necessary? Or was it BOE and remain bias to overturn the result of the referendum?

I remember Hammond saying that the emergency budget forecast remain would not have been necessary.

@GlobeTrotter2000
Why are you getting so hung up that the immediate economic impacts didn't materialise?
They didn't in 2016 but did in 2020 and also last week when food has to be checked.

Materially we are losing 4% GDP.
Why are you fixating on dates? The economic trend deterioration is clear to see. Are you saying because some dates that were printed were wrong, then it all must be wrong?

Are you a remainer that has turned into a leaver? If so, I genuinely find that fascinating.

Since 2020, I have been paid in Euros and have repesented Dutch and French energy companies. So, the myth that once the UK left the EU it would be impossible for UK citizens to work in the EU was yet more project fear.

Lucky you, hey. Especially since the £ has declined against the Euro. But if you think Brexit is So Wonderful, why aren't you working for a British Firm and being paid in Pounds. I.e. put your money where your mouth is.

I would expect you now to be letting it slip that you just happen to have an Irish passport, which you didn't bother to claim until after the Referendum. Like so many other hypocritical Brexiters.

Are you saying Brexit has been a success so far?

Well, it was not the instant disaster forecast by remain

I will take that as a NO