Brexit mega thread : part 9 : Winter is Coming

[Chevyimpala67]

Part 10 of our long running thread.

Not sure what to say, really, other than it is worse than I feared.

Strap in, folks. It's gonna be a rough ride...

Yup.

The EU doesn't like the Swiss model as it is. It's only acceptable because it goes back such a long way. If they "Swexited" from all links and tried to go back, it would not be anywhere near the table...

Basically no, IMO you allow everyone to sell what they have to sell, you know like happens in a market and the customers decide what they want to buy

Comparing a village or town market with international trade, which involves tariffs, protectionism (yes UK does it too), taxation, importers and exporters, supply chains, safety standards, currency and consumer rights.....

Really Louise? can you not spot a few little problems in your idea?

Or are you, as i suspect (for some time) having a giggle?

It's also bullshit. If your sell faulty goods, or dangerous goods, or rotten goods, at ant kind of market, you'll be thrown out as soon as it's discovered.

Someone who thinks that any market is unregulated is, frankly, an idiot.

Or, to put it another way, a Brexshitter...

It doesn’t work for Switzerland anyway. They’ve been trying to get the SM for financial services for years with no success.

Long time regular, I read along but haven't posted in a while, as you guys are always ahead of me.
Anyway, some of you might be interested in this petition to hold a public inquiry into the impact of Brexit:

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/628226

Both Govt and Labour are dead set against any form of Brexit row back.

Aside from the LibDems, neither main party seems bothered about the impact.... just appealing to their core voters.

Alexandra, The Ts & Ls both say that, agreed. However, I am taking small crumbs of comfort from the fact that there are tiny movements which suggest the Ts are not implementing all the measures that they could/would/should be, if they want to implement Brexit properly. You'd think they'd be going full steam ahead with import controls, reversing all the 'EU' laws and regulations, scrapping CE markings, etc . But they're not.
Maybe I'm a hopeless optimist, but at least people are now talking more openly about Brexit not working well for the UK. I sense desperation from the Ts when they all start insisting they are still implementing Brexit because it's what the people voted for. It was six-and-a-half years ago, FGS. Imagine telling an 11 year old they can only have the Christmas presents they asked for when they were 5, or, indeed, telling the electorate that because they voted Tory in 2019 they have a Tory government for ever - oh wait...

@ICouldHaveCheckedFirst Completely lost any faith in Labour, how the fcuk has KS gone from constantly calling for a second vote and that SM/CU is essential to sticking to the Tory plan of points based immigration?

Tories may not be implementing every tick box on Brexit but they are doing enough to ensure we continue to suffer.

...and Starmer is supporting this.

Starmer is afraid of his own voters. It's as simple as that. Sadly that fear is probably justified, there are still an awful lot of xenophobic Leave voters who are nevertheless Labour voters out there.

pointythings, I agree re Starmer being afraid of his voters. Unfortunately.
Alexandra, yes, the Ts are doing enough to keep us suffering. But I sense that some in the Ts are wavering, and even some of the MSM are starting to challenge them and actually say Brexit out loud. It's hardly going to bring about any change in time for Christmas, but the mood is changing, albeit slowly.

Hope you are right and i'm wrong.... it was depressing reading the press on Sunday Monday "Don't betray our Brexit..." crap, the Times story on a Swiss style deal.

Agree, yes Labour are afraid of their voter base but they will also lose voters.... i just wish Starmer would lead, he just seems to be following atm.

Labour don't need to shift their position on Brexit with a consistent 20+% lead in the polls. If someone could show that this would increase if they pivoted to SM access, then I'm sure they'd be all ears.

Miliband had a 15% lead 2 years out from a GE too.

Labour may or may not win the next GE but without a considerably closer relationship to the EU, then as far as i can see, there is little to chose between either party, they will both be faced with the same choices and outcomes.... i see no vision from Starmer, nothing on NHS, nothing on pay, nothing on where these 1000s of nurses/GPs/AHPs are going to come from, nothing on tuition fee's, nothing on social care....

Listening to Starmer at the CBI..... i could have been listening to Robert Jenrik.... points based, skills, housing, partnership... all complete airy fairy because non of it addresses the core issue of demographics and huge loss of trade with the EU....May's cake n eat it spring to mind...

When is he going to realise the EU are not in a 1000 years going give free access to the the SM, unless we accept their regs and their rules, which means ECJ.

news.sky.com/story/uk-economy-to-be-worst-hit-of-all-g7-nations-oecd-report-says-12752890

Wave as it goes past.

www.theregister.com/2022/11/22/uk_research_funding/

The EU's flagship research program, Horizon Europe is the biggest such initiative in world, and will hand out nearly €100 billion ($101 billion) in research funds over the next seven years.

Nice link between the talk about Swiss style deals and Horizon - one of the first ramifications of the anti freedom of movement referendum in Switzerland back in 2014 was getting kicked out of Horizon.... They got barred again in June due to treaty wranglings.

sciencebusiness.net/news/swiss-exclusion-horizon-europe-set-last-least-two-years-universities-chief-predicts

So the Treasury is trying to save the economy and Sunak is refusing.

What they don’t realise is that in 10 years the Brexit enquiry: how the U.K. ended up so impoverished - will list every single point at which the Tories, the commons, and even the Lords, could have stopped or lessened the impact.

I should find it amusing that both the Tories and Labour are so scared of the xenophobia of the UK voting public that they won't backtrack on Brexit.

But I can't find it in me. It's tragic.

What they don’t realise is that in 10 years the Brexit enquiry: how the U.K. ended up so impoverished - will list every single point at which the Tories, the commons, and even the Lords, could have stopped or lessened the impact.

And then blame Labour.

True. Although Labour is in the frame too from Starmer’s stance, Corbyn’s fence-sitting, to the Labour MPs who voted through a Tory kamikazee project.

>Starmer is afraid of his own voters. It's as simple as that

I dont think he is.

If labour even hinted at anything other than 'making brexit work' they'd be giving the tories a get out of jail card. Immediate responses that labour were ignoring referendum/voters etc.

For now that attack surface does not need to be gift wrapped for the tories.

news.sky.com/story/leading-brexiteer-owen-paterson-takes-govt-to-european-court-claiming-lobbying-inquiry-breached-his-human-rights-12753276

These fuckers are trolling us

That maybe true but it also means Labour have to put this anti EU stance into their Manifesto and if they win, what then? Renegade on their election promises? or carry on with the pro brexit look.... damaging the economy and the UK even further.

There will never be a good time to tell the electorate the truth of Brexit, the danger for Starmer is the Tories change tack & they will if they think they can sink Labour and the 'papers will back them.. short of full on re join.

At least Major and Thatcher stood up to their anti EEC/EU wing.

>the danger for Starmer is the Tories change tack

Tories gonna tory.

Today this am - interviewer querying labour bod, "Aren't labour plans looking similar to tories?" to which the correct answer would have been "thats much much better for the country than what they planned two months ago - we want them to go further of course - but we simply cannot trust them not to revert - especially if the batshit wing of the party gets its mojo back."