Brexit mega thread : part 9 : Winter is Coming

[Chevyimpala67]

Part 10 of our long running thread.

Not sure what to say, really, other than it is worse than I feared.

Strap in, folks. It's gonna be a rough ride...

You heard the man from MI5. With foreign operatives acting at will in the UK, and Boris Johnsons proven links to Russian bad state actors, would you want to risk it ?

More Besxhit winning!

Cammell Laird cannot get the skilled workers it used to be able to. Government was told about this but they refused to listen. Now the UK awards £1.6bn Royal Navy contract to Spanish-led consortium...

Latest YouGov poll on whether Brexshit was wrong or wrong;

Wrong 56%, right 32%.

When will the politicians stand up for us?

I'd the elephant in the room now.

But it can't be kicked into the long grass forever....

Sadly, for many on here at least, the result was rather different when the actual votes got counted.

"when will politicians stand up for us?" when it suits them, simple.

Sadly, for many on here at least, the result was rather different when the actual votes got counted.

Indeed, though that was more than 6 years ago now and things are very different.

Indeed. But finally, some, are starting to realise that it was all based on lies.

I really hope that in the future, when most of the racists have died out, and we have rejoined, there will be a Nuremburg style trial, and all those who lied and took money from Putin to "get the UK Brexit done", will end up in prison where they should be...

The Brelephant in the room

It’s not sad just for some it’s sad for everyone in the entire country.

Brexiters voted for austerity 2 - without it we wouldn’t have such an extreme austerity budget nor would the black hole in our finances would not be so large. We’re now the slowest growing economy in G7 and we don’t have the trade and inward investment to pull ourselves out any time soon.

The poorest who thought they had nothing to lose by Brexit find themselves without food and heating.

Unfortunately not news to me, I suspect it has got even worse over the last few years. The UK health service, and pretty much every other service here, is chronically underfunded even before Austerity 2.0, and it's showing more than ever now. It does not feel like a rich country anymore. It's bleak.

We aren't a rich country anymore

No matter how much brexshitters bleat about Singapore

The poorest who thought they had nothing to lose by Brexit find themselves without food and heating.

Poorest or dimmest ?

www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-63676395

In its forecast which accompanied Mr Hunt's Autumn Statement, the OBR said Brexit had had a "significant adverse impact" on UK trade and predicted that the UK's trade intensity would be 15% lower than if the UK had remained in the EU.

The chancellor was asked if re-joining the EU's single market - a free trade area which removes tariffs and taxes on trade between member countries - could boost growth.

Mr Hunt responded that "having unfettered trade with our neighbours and countries all over the world is very beneficial to growth"

He expressed the hope that over the coming years the UK would be able to remove trade barriers with the EU, while remaining outside the single market.

"It will take time," he added.

He argued that re-joining the single market was not "the right way to boost growth" and would be going against "what people voted for" in the Brexit referendum.

The single market is a free trade area which removes tariffs and taxes on trade between member countries.

It seems certain heads are stuffed with sawdust.

The Spectator is advising young people to leave the UK

Because that is so easy now.

To be fair to Hunt (can’t believe I am even typing those words!) he was a Remainer who knows that rejoining the SM/CU is not politically acceptable currency right now,, Starmer takes the same line.

This country may have to go through 5-10 years of economic hardship before people accept that rejoining on some level is economically inevitable.

Or rather - an economic necessity.

It's not an economic necessity at all. Some may consider it a political necessity, because they can't start talking about rejoining the SM until the country has been wrecked to such a state that even the thickest and most racists of Brexshiteers realise how bad it is and stop moaning about "sovrin'y". Or, preferably, die out.

The rest of us can see that it would be better to do this before we're a complete third world country or a part of the new Soviet empire...

You think it’s not economic necessity to be at least in the SM/CU? If so I completely disagree. Trade is 15% lower we’ve lost 4% of GDP. Whatever the politics, it’s economics that will drive us back to the EU.

I am also thinking about how people voted for Brexit because they were assured it would make their lives better - any reasoning to the contrary was fobbed off, usually without even an attempt to really engage with the issues. I even saw friends of friends on SM merrily announcing that if things were harder for a while after Brexit, we'd just "make do and mend like in the war." Strangely, the same person is now fretting about prices and heating bills, and shouting about the evil Tories, rather than embracing her WWII hardship fantasy.

All those people threw away what they had for a pipe dream, and now we are all suffering and will do for the foreseeable future. Thanks, Brexit.

By way of reply, if we'd actually done Brexit in a timely way rather than scrapping about for 3.5 year after the vote we'd probably be through the hardest bit by now.

The responsibility for that failure lies both with those who didn't get on and do it ASAP and those who actively tried to subvert and stop it from happening at all.

People are getting considerable support with their energy bills this winter (good to see) and the causes of energy price rises are the war in Ukraine, not Brexit. Where the government can be faulted is reducing UK energy storage capacity, a failure they are, slowly, starting to address.

Well this is just part of the painful naivety that led to Brexit.

First, Brexit was such an enormous undertaking it was always going to take a long time to negotiate and get through Parliament. Trade deals can take 5-10 years to negotiate. Second, had we left any earlier would be in exactly the same economic situation now, albeit with more years of lower GDP and lower trade under our belt.

The idea that Brexit = a short term teething process to be weathered and then on to sunny days is a mistake. It is in fact a permanent state of lower growth - lower GDP, lower trade, lower inward investment, economic stagnation. The odd trade deal with India or Australia will not change that.

This is why I say it will take a while for people with no grasp of economics to learn the painful lesson of what Brexit really means as opposed to the fantasy.

@LouiseCollins28 that might have worked if the people organising the referendum had decided before hand what 'Leaving the EU'

Of course it takes a long time to negotiate. Don't agree on your second point though, if we'd got on with it we'd have been through the hardest bit before the pandemic hit rather than both situations arriving at virtually the same time.

Why oh why do posters on here think they can teach me the error of my ways on Brexit, like I don't know anything. The hours and the effort I invested in my decision to vote to leave. Dear God you can think I was wrong if you like (I'm not) but accusing me of naivety and "no grasp" is absurd, yet it happens virtually every time I post.

... actually meant, what the implications of each possible options were and how they would affect the economy. But that would have meant telling voters the truth instead of selling them pipe dreams. So here we are, and not a paddle in sight.

Apologies for the split post, internet is having a day.