Brexit mega thread : part 9 : Winter is Coming

[Chevyimpala67]

Part 10 of our long running thread.

Not sure what to say, really, other than it is worse than I feared.

Strap in, folks. It's gonna be a rough ride...

From FT in June 2022, saw the link elsewhere and thought of here, apologies if already posted before:

The deafening silence over Brexit’s economic fallout
As economists start to quantify the damage from leaving the EU, a tentative debate has begun over how to soften the blow
www.ft.com/content/7a209a34-7d95-47aa-91b0-bf02d4214764

Given that Sunak worked with all these people, it’s still astounding to me that he brought back so many useless members of Johnson’s cabinet. Braverman just but one.

I suspect Sunak may not have had a great deal of choice given how many lunatic fringes the Tory party has - and they all need to be appeased.

I was of them opinion that Sunak should have chosen another hard right lunatic as Braverman was too much of a liability; but listening to Rory and Alastair it sounds as if BJ and Sunak were closer than it appeared and he literally had to buy Braverman’s support from BJ.

(I didn’t believe BJ and the 100 require, I just thought that was grandstanding).

I’m interested to know why BJ pulled out - was it as some have said that he was told he would damage his brand and bankabilty or was it simply that he was strong-armed out by Tory enforcers to unite the party.

R4 currently discussing Sunak’s choice of cabinet… what with Braverman and Williamson hitting the news for the wrong reasons.

Agree @pointythings and @Mirabai

Theres been quite a bit of reference to Sunak’s ‘dirty deal’ viz choosing Braverman. So buying her support makes sense.

And I suspect that BJ pulled out for a number of overlapping reason including brand, bankability, influence of senior Tories, realising the UK is a shit show and it’s prudent to wait a bit for resuming the royal mantle.

And don't forget the Partygate inquiry

True @DuncinToffee He was probably advised to wait. Though his ego is such he’s probably assuming that’ll all go away.

Very interesting live tweet thread about Public Bills Committee's evidence session with witnesses on the Retained EU Law (Revocation and Reform Bill).

TL:DR Anyone who wants scrutiny or thinks that scrapping thousands of laws without thinking about it is a bloody remoaner...

Is this where they found 1400 more EU regulations that they didn't know existed?

That's the one. Can't see any danger there...

I am reminded that New Zealand managed to legalise home distilling by accident when they decided to tidy up their laws. Thus making them the worlds leading (and indeed only) jurisdiction where it's legal, and setting up quite a niche export industry.

Worth remembering just how much real expertise has evaporated from the UK these past 6 years. We simply haven't got the skills needed to prevent such clusterfucks left, right and centre.

Interesting commentary

bylinetimes.com/2022/11/08/williamson-and-braverman-revenge-for-regicide

Probably not inaccurate, and also typical of where we're at: still governed by a party who prioritise their factional infighting above the welfare of the country and its people.

Edwin Hayward 🦄 🗡
@edwinhayward
Just one of the 3,900 laws that the Bill to bin all retained EU law at the end of 2023 will shred could cost £1.6 billion in additional red tape.
And there are another 3,899ish where that came from.
This is machine-gunning your own foot levels of stupid, courtesy of the Tories.

I bet if a law got shredded that somehow resulted in the little man having some massive advantage in court, the judiciary would find a way to block it anyway.

Meanwhile Williamson has gone.

So are they going to keep on fighting among themselves about the Queen's funeral - etc - until the IMF steps in to run the country?

The boss of Next is the latest brexiteer to moan about not having enough migrant workers

The BBC article on Woolfson's crocodile tears about the negative impact of the lack of immigrants has this quote from him

"Yes, control it, where it's damaging to society, but let people in who can who can contribute" .

It just illustrates how stupid and blinded he was and is by his dogma and hatred of the EU.

Freedom of movement meant (and means ) the freedom of movement to work

EU "immigrants" were net contributors

The fact that the UK chose not to eject EU citizens after 3 months if they'd not found work as the UK would have been entitled to do was the UK's problem and not a failure of the Single Market

Why is it that every time a Brexiteer opens their mouth, they spout reams of evidence that they never understood anything to do with the EU or even their beloved Brexit at all?

But Corbyn this is not the Brexit they voted for..........

If I have bought Brexit from one of that fucking arseholes stores, I would have returned it in it's packaging.

He's not very bright is he ? Not sure I'd like to invest in anything he thinks is a good idea. Which will hopefully be the next phase of Brexiteers disappearing. I see Lord Sugar is trying to rewrite history too.

Sorry, I can't hear you mate. All the noise from those rattling wheels makes it very hard to understand you ....

www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/voices-the-boss-of-next-is-right-this-isn-t-the-brexit-we-wanted/ar-AA13Y2fa

They "hid" the Brexit damage behind the massive public spend due to Covid, and to a smaller extent Ukraine. Thats what was kind of holding up GDP growth, and filling in the Brexit hole.

It was always obvious to most people that follow these things in an objective way that once the spending taps came off we were going to be poorer.

Thats were are now.

Negative trend growth
Reduced investment
Flat-lining productivity
Sicker labour pool
Ageing Society

Having non-EU migration fill in for EU migration (which is what is happening now) was always a bad idea in the sense that you are replacing higher skilled folks (who are also very large net tax payers) with less skilled folks (who are not very large net taxpayers).

This means we have less tax revenues available while our society ages, which means a material economic contraction as taxes/spending would have to be adjusted.

The economic news is basically terrible at this point in time.

Good article.

Hence also the fiscal and monetary squeeze to get inflation back out of the system. The long recession of 2022 to 2025 will be a direct result of Brexit.

Yes. How many Brexiters will admit that the “eye-watering” public spending cuts we are promised could have been less without the loss of £40 billion a year in tax receipts (from the loss of ~4% of GDP).

Hi everyone. I hope it's ok if I come in with a question, as well as a commentary.

I'm in the six counties/North of Ireland/NI. The DUP, from many people's perspective here, most in fact, is that this is the party that really brought about the shite Brexit we have today. That arsehole party is HATED here by everyone apart from one fifth of the population. One fifth! And yet they hold us to ransom and are inflicting terrible damage upon the kingdom it claims to love.🙄

My question is...are people in Britain aware that the DUP is as much to blame as the Tories, if not more so, for the horrible Brexit we have today?