to still be angry about Brexit?

[mrsmootoo]

I've mentioned this before and got shot down - 'move on', 'we won, you lost', 'red wall was justified', 'democracy' (although as Brexiter David Davis said, democracies can change their minds) etc etc. Anyway, if anything I am even more angry now than in 2016! Seeing queues at Dover/airports etc (I know not only down to Brexit, but it makes it worse) just reinforced it. I'm not going to rehash all the reasons here, but am just interested in whether other people are still as furious as I am. (And I do know it's not doing my stress levels any good!)

Exactly this.

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I understand that everybody's vote should be equal but if one person will live with the repercussions of the outcome for 5 years and another person will live with the repercussions of the out come for 60 years, is that democracy?
Just questions I'm thinking about. Obviously I have no power to "weight" people's votes so it's just something to think about.

Yes, still absolutely enraged by the whole thing.

This was possibly one of the dumbest posts I've ever read.

I don’t think it’s healthy for you as a person op to feel burning anger. I would look for acceptance for your own benefit and well being.

I might also add the U.K. is considering a trade alliance with Switzerland, Norway etc and that could be very beneficial and other larger alliances that are global. It’s not the EU or nothing, there are plenty of options that offer lots of
mutual benefits. These things are being considered now, in the coming years I am sure this will broaden and become very interesting to include Australia, Canada and New Zealand, US etc. In time I think you will feel the positive changes more keenly. Covid has held things up a little but we didn’t vote to opt out of everything- very far from it - we can now choose what our future looks like.

Its hard when you are dead set against something to feel content with a big change. What are you missing the most the EU? Why did you so badly want to remain?

Billy Bragg: Not everyone who voted Brexit is racist but all racists voted Brexit.

The queues have now been sorted out at Dover, the labour shortage is across the whole of Europe and it is much more acute in France. Being part of the EU don’t solve staffing issues

The UK has the highest post pandemic labour shortage of any G7 country, whether thats purely down to brexit is another matter, ageing workforce, early retirements all play their part but UK was a hot destination for EU nationals esp from countries with far lower demographics.

The queues at Dover will return, the fundamental weaknesses are still there, passenger number ar still way lower than pre CV levels and many people are changing plans to avoid PoD.

You probably won't be allowed to...

I wanted my pupils and my own children to have the freedom to go and live and work in the EU without the need for and requirements of a working visa.

@Festoonlights We had full trade deals with those countries pre brexit, yet you are pretending they are somehow new and exciting...

Just questions I'm thinking about. Obviously I have no power to "weight" people's votes so it's just something to think about

Since you are thinking about it, please answer my question how you think older and younger voters’ votes should be ‘weighted’.
You've obviously given it a lot of thought so I’d like to hear your views.
Also, what is the age cut-off for younger and older voters?

In time I think you will feel the positive changes more keenly

Brexit utopia is always on the horizon, just out of reach. You just have to believe harder.

In time I think you will feel the positive changes more keenly.

You're funny.

YABU but it's human nature, democracy is fine except when people vote for the wrong thing. I know how you feel, I still get angry about the idiots who voted Blair in in 1997, I will never vote Labour given how they are the party who screwed my generation over. The party of tuition fees and student loans, the party of low paid jobs, the party of deceit. Yeah, many of those things could be levelled at the Tories too, I just guess Labour stick in my mind more because they did it on such a massive scale. The Tories lie, people see through them. Labour lie, they spin it so well masses of people don't.

Yes, it was a stupid idea to try to quell an internal tory argument that Cameron arrogantly assumed would land on Remain because he had no idea of the pulse of the country outside his social set. It is, and will continue to set this country back for decades and there is clearly not a single quantifiable benefit.

Yep, at this point I’ve given up arguing with others (like my Brexit-voting parents), but privately I’m still very angry and imagine I will be forever. All the other Remainers I know feel the same.

Suella Braverman, arch brexitier, studied at the Sorbonne under the Erasmus scheme.. a scheme she has helped remove from any other UK child.

Its that level of hypocrisy i can't stand.

Cameron arranged a Referendum to take place which allowed 37% of the electorate to vote the UK out. He failed to seriously address the pro Brexit claims made by that serial womaniser in the bus promising £350 million for the NHS. Nothing was in place with the EU in advance of the Referendum so wouldn't it have been wiser to negotiate a better deal with the EU.

My Irish df remained in Germany with his regiment after WW2. He said that when you saw the devastation to ordinary people's lives it shouldn't happen again. I was born after the war and over the years a lot was done to educate children, build homes etc. We needed and still need workers from the EU. But as a dual national I remain an EU citizen.

Yeah - that is democracy. As soon as you start to say that the votes of older people have less value then you jeopardise everything for those older people. Why would politicians need to consider pensions, health and social care for the elderly etc. Those voters become less valuable as citizens. And some young people are also likely to die much sooner than others so presumably their votes are also of less value. This line of thinking leads down a very dark path.

@Dotjones

Tuition fees under Labour £3000 per year...

Tuition fees under the Tories £9250 per year...

Yes your dead right to fuming at Labour lol.

Those who voted to Remain are/were intelligent and saw the dangers and disadvantages.
Those who voted Leave are/were under educated, led by social media and soundbites, and are/were of the post colonial exceptionalist group of Rule Brittania and the War of course. Add in a good dollop of racism and xenophobia too. They are to blame.

I would love a rebuttal from the Leavers.....

The day a Leave voter can state categorically what the upside/advantages of leaving the EU are (apart from hubris and the UK is great, we can make our own laws and keep the foreigners out type) is the day I will probably not believe has happened. I doubt it ever will.

I live in france and am about to import my UK reg car. I will have a bill of around €1500-2000 to pay. Pre Brexit I would have paid perhaps €500. Now I have to pay VAT and an extra 10% of its value because technically I am importing from outside the EU.

…Brexit was a very, very, very stupid thing to vote for. I have spoken to several people who voted for it, and in all honesty I’ve tried to understand but I can’t. I think it’s a decision rooted in pure ignorance and stupidity… x

Apart from those racists who voted to remain or didn’t vote.

Yep, me too.