to still be angry about Brexit?

[mrsmootoo]

I've mentioned this before and got shot down - 'move on', 'we won, you lost', 'red wall was justified', 'democracy' (although as Brexiter David Davis said, democracies can change their minds) etc etc. Anyway, if anything I am even more angry now than in 2016! Seeing queues at Dover/airports etc (I know not only down to Brexit, but it makes it worse) just reinforced it. I'm not going to rehash all the reasons here, but am just interested in whether other people are still as furious as I am. (And I do know it's not doing my stress levels any good!)

Given the precarious recession that is about to hit the EU - given their exposure and dependency on Russian gas, it might be that the Germans and Northern Europeans get tired or are simply unable to continue bailing out their southern counterparts, and a decision is made to manage the super state back to a proper trading bloc (its original purpose) and if that happens we may rejoin in a very moderate way. Ultimately the next five years are going to be pivotal for our neighbours. They have bigger issues to contend with than us.

Yes. All of those "I don't care if it makes us poorer, it's a price worth paying" people: mysteriously, their numbers seem to have declined. Presumably they are busy enjoying the fruits of the seeds they sewed. But if they had any decency you'd expect them to keep their word and be volunteering to make up the costs you describe. And also 30% of everyone else's food and energy bills due to the decline in GBP:USD directly caused by Brexit.

Yet there seems to be tumbleweed. I presume they meant they didn't mind other people getting poorer but were so detached from reality that they didn't think they would as well, and certainly had no intention of sucking up the costs that their delusions would place on everyone else.

Not good people, basically. No decency, no honesty, no "mea culpa" in sight, no plan to make good what they have broken.

Yes, everyone's vote counting equally is democracy. The person who will only live with the consquences for 5 years is just as important as the one who may live for 60.

The person who lives for 60 years will have many more opportunities to vote and to change things. If they don't like a decision, persuade people to change their mind. That's why referendums get rerun, that's why the party in power changes every few years.

It would be very odd to believe that older voters are less important than younger ones. Older voters have been there when decisions were made about joining the EU, younger ones not. Gender equality, racial equality, sexual equality, all these things were won by older voters, not young ones.

Ah yes, those sunlit uplands that, like all mirages, stay tantalisingly just beyond reach.

Me too. Raging. Opinion of British public lower than ever.

Is anything better now because of Brexit? I didn't want it but now we've got it I'd love to convince myself that there are some positives. Nobody irl can think of any.

In time I think you will feel the positive changes more keenly

Yeah, I think Reese-Mogg said he expects we might feel some benefits from Brexit in approximately 50 years. Something to look forward to?

Meanwhile he moved all of his investment company assets out of the UK after the referendum, before he and his colleagues deliberately collapsed GDP, so he hasn't had to wait 50 years to make a fortune from this.

What a coincidence!

Don't think I have ever met or heard a single vote leave person express regret. I don't know why that is.

To me the country seems a complete and utter disaster since 2016

Because there aren't any. Even the "Minister for Brexit Opportunities" has admitted he can't come up with one. Except for it having massively inflated his personal wealth.

Oh I see I have to wait 50 years. Good stuff.

Exactly how I feel

I don't have the exact number but before the ref something like 40 MPs held an Irish passport, as well as their UK one. Now it's something like 300 MPs are in possession of an Irish passport. And I doubt they're all Remain voters. It's that kind of hypocrisy I find so irritating. 'Brexit for thee, but nor for me'.

I think there should be an independent analysis of the costs of Brexit (several already exist: 4-5% of GDP in perpetuity seems to be roughly where we are atm) and then there should be another referendum but without anonymous voting. People who vote to stay out of the EU agree to split that cost between them, to be redustributed back to everyone who doesn't want that. A "put your money where your mouth is" vote and then suddenly you'd not see a Brexiteer for dust.

Apart from those racists who voted to remain

lol

That group doesn’t actually exist though, apart from in your own mind. Vote leave was founded in xenophobia.
Why would a racist vote to allow freedom of movement? Of course they wouldn’t.

It's horror stories like this which leave me dumbfounded. You have had your right to import your car tariff-free stolen from you by the xenophobic brexiteers.

I'd like to see the look on their faces when they try and export their car to the EU one day. They'll live to regret this.

This is where I'm at, too. The Brexiters have sold our country down the river and for what? Tragic, really.

Still pissed off. Can anyone post any positives re Brexit? I can't think of one single thing

Look at the EUs record on immigration!
Look at who freedom of movement applies to.
They would!

Well you've told us how you're OK, but is it really so difficult to imagine that other people might not be?
There have been countless stories in the newspapers about peoples' businesses folding, about families being separated, about the devastation of various industries, about researchers being locked out of funding and grants
It's surely no great leap of the imagination to think that people might be angry, especially as the government masked many of the effects by pretending they were due to Covid etc

Making fun of someone giving a real-world cost of brexit, however niche the cost in question, isn't the gotcha you think it is. It just plays into the stereotype that leavers are motivated by a race to the bottom.

I am annoyed about Brexit as well, but I think the English in particular have always been ambivalent and exceptionalist about “Europe” and Brexit is the result.

Yes Leave voters were sold a dud, but it was always going to happen - sooner or later.

Exciting prospect, isn't it? 🤦🏻‍♀️🤣

I am still angry about it - not raging everyday, but quietly seething at the complete clusterfuck of it all.

I am annoyed due to the following:

• I work in grocery retail - Brexit negatively affects my job every.single.day - mainly supply chain and lack of workers in farming - something Brits don't want to do


• My family work in the NHS - EU staff were invaluable to the functioning of this service


• Much of the Leave campaign were just lies, total lies. The Vote leave campaign broke electoral law and were fined


• The Remainers Project Fear was actually Project Reality


• No one knew what leaving actually meant - there was no coherent strategy or vision.


• The vote was so close 52/48 and yet generations of people are having to put up with this shit due to old people - some of whom are already dead - wanting to go back to the 50s


• The UK will probably separate - and I really can't blame them for that


• Northern Ireland has regressed 20 odd years which is so sad to see


• We are absolutely insignificant on the world stage


• I cannot see 1 significant tangible benefit from leaving - please tell me if there is one


• My DC will not be able to have the same experiences I had growing up, working and living abroad - very sad

There are loads of other reasons but I would literally be writing all day

They wouldn't understand. I was talking to some commoner about this and he was saying that mass unskilled migration was suppressing wages for the working class and increasing house prices. I told the racist to shut up and get to work cleaning my other shoe.

Didn't speak after that, I just went back to reading the Guardian.

Look at the EUs record on immigration!
Look at who freedom of movement applies to. They would!

I have no idea what you’re talking about and I suspect you don’t either.

Why would a racist choose to allow freedom of movement, when they could choose to halt freedom of movement?

Answer: they wouldn’t.