to still be angry about Brexit?

[mrsmootoo]

I've mentioned this before and got shot down - 'move on', 'we won, you lost', 'red wall was justified', 'democracy' (although as Brexiter David Davis said, democracies can change their minds) etc etc. Anyway, if anything I am even more angry now than in 2016! Seeing queues at Dover/airports etc (I know not only down to Brexit, but it makes it worse) just reinforced it. I'm not going to rehash all the reasons here, but am just interested in whether other people are still as furious as I am. (And I do know it's not doing my stress levels any good!)

@SerendipityJane It is also possible that the Constitutional Council, France’s equivalent of the Supreme Court, could reverse the decision.

Why would they do that? What is the benefit to France?

@Peregrina Britons, who already own properties in France, have potentially won the right to stay for 180 days, instead of indefinitely as previously allowed. Is that really a Brexit benefit?

I think maybe you are on the wrong thread? This thread is titled "to stil lbe angry about Brexit" as opposed to Benefits of Brexit.

It's a bit like someone stealing £1000 from you and saying "here You can have a tenner, no, I have changed my mind, I'll be generous, you can have £100." You are still £900 down!

I can't work out why a thief would offer to return what they had stolen?

What large US sports manufacturer is operating in Holland and has now moved to India?

The French supreme court may over rule as the decision favours one country over others... did you not read your own link? it was all in there.

GlobeTrotter2000 :

@SerendipityJaneIt is also possible that the Constitutional Council, France’s equivalent of the Supreme Court, could reverse the decision.

Why would they do that? What is the benefit to France?

If you can't think of a country that has repeatedly acted against it's own interests in - say the last 8 years - then maybe you shouldn't be skiving of school, eh ?

@AndreaC74 ...look at the polls in 2015 and beyond?

I looked at polls from 2013 to 2016 in the link provided by Ken on another thread.

Germany wouldn't have much of a manufacturing economy if VAG and Siemens didn't exist

Germany's economy is 70% services I remember.

90/180 relaxed to 180/360... why not? its what the UK gives almost all other countries and it still limits British visitors to 180 days in any 360 day period, they aren't giving us any extra days over the course of the year, so your 300k house in France is still not available to you for 6months of the year.

The 180/360 is better for renting out purposes. in the summer season. I would use the other 180 over the winter period. Also, once in France for 183 days or more you get caught up in the local tax system.

Plus it hasn't actually happened, if you bothered to read the link.

The link includes the statement:

France’s parliament has passed a law which will allow British second home owners to stay in the country for up to 6 months without a visa.

The EU can exist without completely free borders and once the migrant crisis is over (nothing lasts forever) it will return, the EU has always evolved.

Not sure about the wording in Bold. As long as there are wars and people fleeing from danger, there will be migration to safer places.

Hungary will be by-passed, it has far to close a relationship with Russia, perhaps even kicked out, though perhaps its better in the EU than outside, we don't want another Putin satellite country in Europe.

So, Hungary are not allowed to have an opinion that is different from Brussels? So much for the EU being an equal union. At present the EU does not have an expel mechanism.

Your comment about Putin is echoed by almost every German I know. Several have acknowledged it was the main reason the Western EU members allowed weaker Eastern European counties to join.

@AndreaC74 What large US sports manufacturer is operating in Holland and has now moved to India?

The US company (their logo is called a tick by some) is not leaving The Netherlands completley, but moving some positions to India. This is a global cost cutting decision and not restricted solely to The Netherlands.

The French supreme court may over rule as the decision favours one country over others... did you not read your own link? it was all in there.

The Code du Travail allows such decions if companies are facing financial difficulties. The US are usually very paranoid about being sued. So, I guess they have worked it out.

@GlobeTrotter2000 Most people, perhaps not you, want to live in France & France has huge numbers of properties that they can be rented out during the French peak season and tbh if your renting out your property through an agency, you wont be France?
The change to 180/360 wont make a lot of difference to most people with property in France, will make a big difference to those with a motor home who like to tour, look, its a good move but its hardly taking us back to what we had, its still 180 days out of 360 (approx)

The French seem to be doing this because of some excellent lobbying by Steve Jolly.
As the link says, they don't know when or if the new law will be implemented.

The EU is a democracy, Hungary is an outlier, 26 countries want to keep funding Ukraine... how does our Parliament work? can 1 MP block the wishes of the majority?
Why are you placing rules and regs on the EU that no one anywhere has?

Correct! the EU doesn't have a means to expel, that may change, esp if Hungary moves closer to Russia, its inconceivable a Putin ally could be in the EU.

Unfortunately, Orban is quite popular despite super high inflation, so its make your mind up time for Hungary.

Not sure what Nike is outsourcing, as it doesn't have its own factories.

@AndreaC74 The EU is a democracy, Hungary is an outlier, 26 countries want to keep funding Ukraine... how does our Parliament work? can 1 MP block the wishes of the majority?

UK MP's relate to to one Country, the UK. The EU is a group of 27 Countries.

Hungary are entitled to have a say in what EU spends it's money on as they are part of the EU. Links are:

Budget negotiation process | European Union (europa.eu)

Hungary blocks $54bn EU financial aid for Ukraine | European Union News | Al Jazeera

Similarly, an application to join the EU has to be agreed by all members. If one objects, there is nothing the other members can do.

Correct! the EU doesn't have a means to expel, that may change, esp if Hungary moves closer to Russia, its inconceivable a Putin ally could be in the EU.

I would imagine a mechanism to expel would have to be approved by all members too. Highly unlikey it would be passed as the weaker Countries who are net takers from the EU, who out number the net contributors, might think they are top of the list. Greece in particular would say no due to the bail outs they have had in the past.

In Bulgaria, which was former soviet union until 1990, there is growing support to rejoin the USSR.

Accounts payable will be outsourced from The Netherlands to India.

With regard Putin having an ally in the EU, Putin has (had) millions of (unwitting) allies in the EU - Leave voters. Putin is on record himself saying how good Brexit was for Russia. @GlobeTrotter2000 you have said yourself on another thread that Putin superfan, Nigel Farage, as Home Secretary.

I wonder what happened to Clav ?

They're all in a bunker being retrained for the forthcoming fight? Perhaps they've galloped off with Richard Tice? Or the cut n paste arm is in a sling.