to still be angry about Brexit?

[mrsmootoo]

I've mentioned this before and got shot down - 'move on', 'we won, you lost', 'red wall was justified', 'democracy' (although as Brexiter David Davis said, democracies can change their minds) etc etc. Anyway, if anything I am even more angry now than in 2016! Seeing queues at Dover/airports etc (I know not only down to Brexit, but it makes it worse) just reinforced it. I'm not going to rehash all the reasons here, but am just interested in whether other people are still as furious as I am. (And I do know it's not doing my stress levels any good!)

'not our fault the checks required to get into France. That’s to do with them'

Seriously This is what you voted for. We're not allowed to spend more than 90 days in a year in the EU now, so your passport has to be stamped to prove entry and exit dates. This takes ten times as long so....

The ones that boil my piss are the ones who say I didn't know what I was voting for and regret it now. and we're supposed to be kind?

ITS TOO BLOODY LATE! It's ruined the country. Political discourse has become horribly polarised and the Tories have gone so far right now they are basically the National Front.

I have yet to see a single good thing that has come from Brexit, it's just the shit show that keeps on giving. According to a Brexiteer that I know it's only this bad still because Boris hasn't done anything with it yet 🙄

@catgirl85 what a charming view point- talk about I'm alright Jack- so the rest of us whose wages haven't significantly increased but now have significantly higher costs (and we aren't talking lattes etc) just have to think, oh well that's fine. There were perfectly ok solutions around this that would have cost far less and without curtailing other peoples options. Higher minimum wage for a start, better tax credits . You wait when this government start allowing a ton of non EU immigrants and wages start falling again in certain sectors or more people are trained in certain sectors (HGV driving for instance) and most of this was not competition, most EU workers were filling areas in sectors where not enough Brits were interested or applying. It's not as if an employer got a bonus for employing a Polish girl over a Brit!

Well, luckily I'm Irish in Ireland, not that this country is perfect, so it's not the hill I'm going to die on. But a significant percentage of the people who voted for brexit are now dead. Is that right? Should they have had an equal say in the far reaching future? I don't mean til the next election. I don't know. Gut instinct says no.

To be honest @JosephineGH as an EU national, you have no skin in the game, either for or against Brexit.

Its unlikely you even had a vote, unless from a restricted list of countries plus Gibraltar.

You can stay here if its a success or leave if it 's not.

You can't help how you feel but I don't feel that level of anger.

I take the view that more people voted to leave than to stay, and we live in a democracy. Their cumulative view was more prevalent than mine.

To me, it's inconvenient personally, expensive professionally (hiring staff has become difficult) but the majority had the right to decide, just as they did with Scotland. I accept both.

The obvious course of action is to campaign positively to rejoin rather than give yourself wrinkles being cross about something in the past.

This type of insult is why you won't persuade Leave voters to engage in debate with you. Which I presume was partly the point of this thread?

We had a thread on "why did you vote Conservative?" last week and it was the most respectful and polite political thread on MN I've seen for ages. People on different sides of the political spectrum shared their views and agreed it was nice to have a polite discussion.

As a Leave voter, I respect your choice to vote Remain. However, while you may feel strongly about remaining in the EU, there was no right/wrong or good/evil. I'd have accepted the opposite outcome from the referendum if the majority voted to remain,

I agree totally.

So will I.

I'm angry. Half of those who voted hadn't a clue what they were voting for nor the consequences that would come from it.

Eventually (within the next 20 years I'd say) UK will re-join the Single Market and the Customs Union Norway/Switzerland style.

The queues have now been sorted out at Dover, the labour shortage is across the whole of Europe and it is much more acute in France. Being part of the EU don’t solve staffing issues.

Is there anything else that upsets you?
I can’t see that anything is remotely different. I travel all of over Europe for business and leisure. We have geek through nine European airports and driven across France and it was a breeze. No issues at all.

Then your guy instinct is highly problematic and anti-democratic. Who do you imagine will decide the value of each person’s vote once we move away from the principle of one person one vote?

No we wont, the EU (and whatever it morphs into) is far better off without the UK.

All we ever did was moan and seek to opt out of stuff we didn't like.

We will remain out, come what may.

I know it's pointless but I'm still angry about it. I'm not angry with David Cameron either, for believing the voting public would make the wise choice. I am angry with all the people who voted for Brexit. I genuinely expected better.

YANBU. While the full affects may not be felt yet, it's only a matter of time before we start running out of EEs to wash my car for a fiver and to serve me my coffee in Pret. My M&S strawberries are also more expensive because it's hard for the farmers to find people willing to pick them for low wages.

To top it all off, I have to wait in a queue when going to another country. Sorry but no amount of soverignty is worth this terrible price.

Concentrate on things you can change. It does no good to obsess/dwell on things that have happened and over which you have no control.

I don't think the EU has any appetite to see the UK return to the fold. None whatsoever,.

But the UK will re-join the Single Market.

Yep. Still furious about the stupidity of it, and will be as long as it continues to impact life.

😂

I AM “alright Jack”
DH and the DC have EU nationality and I can sail past the passport queues with them. We actually made money from Brexit for a variety of reasons and it hasn’t affected us negatively at all.
I am still bloody furious (and pretty embarrassed) about Brexit though

We have a relative in his mid 80's- never worked in anything commercially minded high level work for a council - was virtually gifted 2 council flats , RTBs - reads the Telegraph and has been abroad twice in his life but goes around with the superior attitude of Jacob Rees Mogg as if we are some kind of superior race- His attitude when we explained the catastrophic knock on effects on many businesses small and large was 'so be it -they will just have to go and work in a shop or something' . I can almost understand the greedy buggers who pushed it so they could get out of the new off shore taxation rules in EU- I am absolutely baffled at ordinary people voting for it - some will earn more in short term but you can bet your life this will end when this government start allowing far more not that highly skilled non EU immigrants in under the guise of 'well- we've got recruitment issues' !!

So logically. If the queues at Dover carry on and stay insane what till people do?
Not travel to France? Use another port?
Who does that impact? France?

I find it a bit silly to be angry at "leave voters" (as if that's the sole thing that defines them)
Be angry at a government who can't be bothered to plan and prepare.

I think you'll find alot of people who voted leave were working class, low income earners with little prospects, so what did they have to lose? Why not take a punt of making life a little bit better for themselves?
Which it has in some cases, the lack of cheap easy labour has stopped making wages higher and people being paid more what they're worth. Which in my mind is only a good thing.

I'd say the EU as we know it won't even exist in 20 years' time. It's already a financial basket case and recent interest rate rises etc won't help. Germany being one of the main contributors is really suffering economically at the moment and won't be able to continue to financially support the rest of the EU indefinitely. Some countries will leave the Euro currency as it's holding them back, maybe the Euro will collapse as a currency and all countries will revert to their original currencies? Maybe the Single Market will survive, but I'd suspect more likely reverting back to the original idea of the EEC simply as a basis for the easier movement of trade/goods etc.