Brexit mega thread part 8: platinum jubilee edition

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Waiting for Louise to tell us the record Irish population is due to people queuing up to get into Brexit Britain.

Although I would settle for a totally meaningless c'n'p from Clav.

Thing is the Irish population don't need to queue because of the Common Travel Area. And better still, they can leave again and have somewhere to go, unlike people whose only passport is a UK one.

Boris Johnson's spokesman was invited today to identify the most important ways that Brexit has improved lives. He chose: New trade deals, the ``bill of rights'' and repealing retained EU law. Let's look at those...

twitter.com/Joe_Mayes/status/1539997072602152961?t=g1PiYLeV1hMilRmAxM6BsA&s=19

I've checked and all my many European connections (German, Irish and Danish) are one generation too distant to be of any use

Only other passport I'm eligible for is South African (as my parents naturalised me while I was a minor) - but that's not really much use either

I'll continue to pin my hopes on a new passport with a Saltire 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 on its cover

Any of you can have a logical, clear counter argument from me for any point you put to me. You might well not like the argument i make but it will be logical and it will be clear.

If what you are suggesting re the Irish population rising is that people are leaving the UK to go and reside there, I wish all the best to those people and since I want the UK population to fall this is another Brexit Benefit (Klaxon)

You might well not like the argument i make but it will be logical
Made my day, thank you

Can you explain why you would like the UK population to fall, @LouiseCollins28?

And would falling by just about 2 million or approximately 5.5 million be OK? There are easy ways to accomplish either drop.

...because there are too many people living in the UK for the nation to accomodate and support. 2 million down is good, 5.5 million down is better. 10 million down would be better still, so long, of course, as that population were dependent on the same landmass and productive capacity.

I'm guessing you are referring to the potential "loss" to the UK of Northern Ireland (pop approx 2m) and Scotland (pop approx 5.5m).

As I've said many times, decisions on their future in the UK must be taken at the right time by the populations of Northern Ireland and Scotland but the loss of neither acheives the reduction in population depenedent on the same productive capacity that I want to see.

"You might well not like the argument i make but it will be logical and it will be clear."

AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Yes, clear xenophobia/racism...

Lib Dems win Honiton & Tiverton, Labour wins Wakefield. Happy Days :)

www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/24/tories-lose-byelections-wakefield-tiverton-honiton-labour-lib-dems

End of days continued for Johnson ...

You might well not like the argument i make but it will be logical and it will be clear.

It may not be right though. If your starting premises are false you will be led to a false conclusion.

IMO your starting premise that the country is full is a nonsense.

But I note that immigration has now increased from countries outside the EU. For those who objected to the EU FoM as favouring white Christians, they will no doubt be delighted. For the others who do no like immigration, the prospect of more black and brown skins some of whom are Muslim, will not please them at all.

There's an argument to be made that there are too many people on this planet, but locking down a single country and then implementing policies that will see people starve isn't the way out. Unless you're a Brexiter, of course.

Great news about the by-elections, but Boris will cling on. Which is good in one way - keeps toxifying the Tories - and very bad in another because he will continue to scheme, break laws, gerrymander and do anything he can to ensure his band of rogues retain power.

It gets better.

By allowing Johnson to lodge himself as the PM no one could shift, the Tories now have to face this threat (and believe you me, he's already made it) :

Try and get rid of me, and I'll call an election.

Obviously you can't work so closely to the Russians without picking up their world view by osmosis.

So, Boris isn't going anywhere. Or rather, if he is, he's taking the Tory party with him. That much is guaranteed.

Oh lordy, Mad Nads seems to think we've skipped a few World Wars recently, and we're now on WW11.

Although Wikipedia's entry on it is rather amusing...

Aww, they've taken it down. But here's a screen shot for your edification...

Or rather, if he is, he's taking the Tory party with him. That much is guaranteed.

He would be doing the country an almighty big favour if he took the current incarnation of the party with him. Previous PMs e.g. Macmillan, Heath, and others would have been horrified to see how he has dragged the party into the gutter with him.

The maximum this Parliament can run is to December 2024. So, two years. After that point, the Government has to call an election.

If the Conservatives stick with Johnson until then; they are screwed. He has done enough to upset the electorate now and I am sure there will be more corruption, cowardice and lawbreaking to come.

If the Conservatives manage to get rid of Johnson; their new leader would have 18 months, max, to turn the party around with policies, communication and donations place. That might be possible with a decent cabinet in place but this lot? They are screwed.

Time is not on their side. I've got the popcorn out and I am looking forward to the infighting.

@LouiseCollins28, what precisely do you mean when you say there are too many people for the country to accommodate?

Can no affordable housing be built? Why not?

Is there not enough money for schools and the NHS? If this is the case, then why?

Who are the surplus people?

What is your opinion of offshore tax havens?

This rumbles on

www.theregister.com/2022/06/24/arm_nasdaq/

apparently Softbank were crystal clear about what not being in the EU would mean for the future - unusually so for a Japanese company (it's possible they were already being briefed on events unfolding). If the UK really wants to piss off Japanese investors - well actually they have already done it. But then again, this government wasn't put together for it's trading expertise.

Chris Grey's latest Brexit Blog.

chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.com/2022/06/brexit-next-six-years.html

@LouiseCollins28

Falling birth rates are key to economic growth in low income countries and a death knell for high income countries. The UK having a declining population is a problem. Just look at Japan.

www.ft.com/content/c017334e-36bb-11ea-a6d3-9a26f8c3cba4

www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/06/birthrates-declining-globally-why-matters/

Fewer people (in some ways) are good for the climate, but the economic consequences are severe. In the 1960s, there were six people of working age for every retired person. Today, the ratio is three-to-one. By 2035, it will be two-to-one

Weak economic countries do not tend to prioritise the environment hence why I’m adding the ‘in some ways’.

Anyhow I’m pleased about the by elections but really don’t we want Bojo to cling on until we’re closer to the next general election?

We know that he’s constitutionally incapable of being either a moral / principled PM or governing in the nation’s best interests. With luck the whole party will implode. What we don’t want is a reasonable leader capable of convincing voters that the Tories have ‘changed’.

@DrBlackbird - I feel a bit the same way. I'm worried about the "Major" effect, where he managed against the odds to win another Conservative majority albeit reduced after Thatcher.

And BJ continuing in power is good for the cause of Scottish independence

My concern however is the permanent damage he could do to the UK and its constituent nations in the interim

Team Boris (remember advised by one D. Cummings) have done their homework. He's become a cancer that's spread so far that the remedy of excision will kill the patient. If he stays - the Tory party dies. If he goes - the Tory party dies.

The only upside in this has been the persistent and consistent failure of the right wing to continue scaring the Tories into fascism (although some may say we've already arrived). In fact a careful analysis of the direction of travel of the Tory party these past few years is towards the centre-left. A high tax high spend philosophy. Not only was Brexit bought with a dud cheque. It was built on and by the most duplicitous political parties in the world.

I know Brexiteers don't like being called stupid as the truth often hurts. However if you are a Brexiteer and you put your trust in Boris to deliver anything like a half decent Brexit, then the shift to imperial allowing IQ to be measure in fractions has probably done you a favour.

Currently I am enjoying the fact that the big Tory push to get people back to t5eh office is slowly sinking beneath rail strikes and the fact that it's not 1822.

When Major took over when Thatcher had become toxic, he was seen as fairly inoffensive and indeed was caricatured by Spitting Image as boring and grey.

Now that Johnson is toxic, which of his Cabinet qualify as not being toxic? Patel, Raab, Truss? No, I don't think so. Sunak blew it with his tax dodging and incompetent handling of the economy. Mad Nad? Gove? Not exactly brimming with talent are they? More of the same toxicity but without Johnson's 'charm', is not likely to cut it, I think.