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Brexit mega thread part 8: platinum jubilee edition

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ChiswickFlo · 03/06/2022 19:07

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DrBlackbird · 21/06/2022 21:34

LouiseCollins28 · 20/06/2022 13:17

QED

I’m surprised, but thank you for agreeing!

"Traditionally, the abbreviation is placed at the end of mathematical proofs and philosophical arguments in print publications, to indicate that the proof or the argument is complete"

DrBlackbird · 21/06/2022 23:25

More Brexit wins…

As arguments continued to play out in the sector over the reasons for the chaos, easyJet said it had recently turned down about 8,000 applications from EU nationals who were no longer eligible to work for the company in the UK because of Brexit

“Pre-pandemic we turned down probably about 2% of people for nationality reasons … and that number is [now] about 35-40%. So, of course the pool is smaller,” Lundgren said

HannibalHeyes · 22/06/2022 00:48

Apparently, the poorest fifth of households in France are 20% richer than the poorest fifth of households in the UK.

Welcome to Brexshit Britain...

TheElementsSong · 22/06/2022 08:25

DuncinToffee · 21/06/2022 18:50

www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/how-did-brexit-do-so-much-damage-in-so-short-a-time

A project that was always irrational must grow more so in order to justify itself. And so the government is still justifying the basic lie at Brexit’s core. The lie that Brexit can work without causing harm.

Brexit is the new omertà: not only must its consequences be denied, they must never even be named.

How do we account for something that has caused so much destruction and misery in so short a time? Millions of words have been written but in the end, just three will do. Brexit is poison.

This sums it up perfectly!

HannibalHeyes · 22/06/2022 14:30

Brexshit will keep wages down and make the UK poorer.

So, as we all knew, these flag shaggers are all traitors...

Peregrina · 22/06/2022 18:58

What happened to "levelling up"?

Peregrina · 22/06/2022 21:39

In future we will need a visa waiver.

I think that this has been in the pipeline for some time, and it made me wonder if it was a piece of legislation which the UK was a party to and voted for.

pointythings · 22/06/2022 21:50

No doubt the UK government will come up with a tit for tat measure.

mathanxiety · 23/06/2022 04:59

Yes I suppose there is an ideology there.
More significantly, if you want me to sign up to "rejoin" you'd be asking me to give up the one political outcome I've genuinely really cared about seeing for my entire adult life.
If that seems really odd, or perverse to you, I suggest you think about your level of committment to the outcome(s) you most want to see and what would be needed to persuade you to forgo that/those or to stop seeking them. There are ways that could to pursuade me to do that but noone in a position seeking my vote has yet suggested any.

@LouiseCollins28
If, upon looking around you, you do not see problems caused by Brexit, it's possible you live in a special little bubble all your own, untroubled by the idea that trade deals (what trade deals?) the UK concludes with other countries will all involve some compromise, some means of appeal in case of problems - in essence, deals involve give and take.

The outcomes I would like to see are outcomes that are possible, not nationalist, jingoistic fantasies (ideology, in other words).

They are based on reality, not misty-eyed nostalgia arising from a misunderstanding (or complete ignorance) of history. When you are voting for a choice that will gravely impact your country, it's better to go with the head than the heart. That way you are fairly certain that you at least won't do massive harm to your fellow citizens, because you will have taken into account the nuts and bolts, not just the feelz.

Maybe some time in the future you can look back at the halcyon days when you thought the UK could plough ahead and do as she pleased, trade-wise, once out of the EU. You can enjoy paying American prices for healthcare and prescription drugs, because American companies will own the NHS and will turn it into a for profit enterprise and charge American prices for stuff like insulin.

Chevyimpala67 · 23/06/2022 06:48

By election day!

Peregrina · 23/06/2022 06:50

You can enjoy paying American prices for healthcare and prescription drugs, because American companies will own the NHS and will turn it into a for profit enterprise and charge American prices for stuff like insulin.

And it need not be said that unlike when we were in the EU and had a share in the decision making process, this is not going to happen with deals with the USA, (or Australia, New Zealand or China). Why is being a rule taker with them all fine, but being part of the rule making process with the EU wasn't?

Chevyimpala67 · 23/06/2022 07:08

Peregrina · 23/06/2022 06:50

You can enjoy paying American prices for healthcare and prescription drugs, because American companies will own the NHS and will turn it into a for profit enterprise and charge American prices for stuff like insulin.

And it need not be said that unlike when we were in the EU and had a share in the decision making process, this is not going to happen with deals with the USA, (or Australia, New Zealand or China). Why is being a rule taker with them all fine, but being part of the rule making process with the EU wasn't?

Sigh. You are expecting logic and clear well thought out counter arguments.

That poster has previously stated that simply having the letters "E U" taken off our statue books is what they class as brexshit and is their idea of success.

You are wasting your time.

Spent another day in a&e on Tuesday (for me this time!...) and its SO bad. By 10.15am the a&e triage area was full. No seats left. This is the biggest a&e dept in the county. They were queuing outside the door by 10.30am. Many, like me, sent there by their Dr.

I have covid (for the 1st time) and Dr sent me to a&e Tuesday morning. Told me to phone an ambulance. I did so to be told i was a priority call but it would be 5 hour waiting and asked if anyone could take me in. Dh away on business so ds1 took me.

I tested + at hospital so was then sent to a "red" area and promptly forgotten about for 11 hours In a windowless, airless room. They even tried to give me another womans medication at one point.

I was struck (as I always am..) by the % of patients using a&e over 65+. These are the demographic that voted in numbers for brexshit the data tells us. I wonder who they can blame now? I wonder if they wonder where all the staff and carers went? I'm not sure they can join the dots tbh. Nor want to.

I am supposed to have phone call from a Dr this morning regarding blood results from a month ago...I think it'll be cancelled as some of the Dr staff have covid.

I feel utterly awful. Dh has had to fly back from his trip. I am praying I don't have to go back there.

It's high summer fgs. Winter is coming.

DuncinToffee · 23/06/2022 08:46

JRM is still desperately seeking benefits

Jacob Rees-Mogg - "Thankfully we left the EU before it decided to mandate what sort of phone chargers we can have... "
twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1539594281073221633?t=cu3M8brGULkpDIbPGshYuw&s=19

TheElementsSong · 23/06/2022 09:02

These are the demographic that voted in numbers for brexshit the data tells us. I wonder who they can blame now? I wonder if they wonder where all the staff and carers went? I'm not sure they can join the dots tbh. Nor want to.

My FiL is like this. He voted for Brexit, often shakes his head and says "I don't know what's going to happen" when the bad news is discussed, but also (sometimes within the same conversation) won't accept that the things going wrong are because of Brexit. He'll wang on about "foreigners coming here" but at the same time will bemoan the loss of foreign staff in services that he uses.

Basically, he voted for a bizarre, self-contradictory, oxymoronic fantasy that could never have happened, and now he can't allow himself to join the dots.

DuncinToffee · 23/06/2022 09:06

Peregrina · 22/06/2022 18:58

What happened to "levelling up"?

Graph from the Economist

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Peregrina · 23/06/2022 09:08

Perhaps Rees-Mogg would like to tell us which mobile phone manufacturers are based in Britain? Samsung, Huaweii and two makes of smart phones I have had. Before that, when the technology was simpler, I had a Nokia.

So he is basically saying that he's thankful we can now be rule takers instead of rule makers.

DuncinToffee · 23/06/2022 09:13

The graph is from 2015 but I don't think the gap has lessened with the nimber of milliinaires increasing over covid and well the cost of living.

High wage society anyone?

SerendipityJane · 23/06/2022 09:17

TheElementsSong · 23/06/2022 09:02

These are the demographic that voted in numbers for brexshit the data tells us. I wonder who they can blame now? I wonder if they wonder where all the staff and carers went? I'm not sure they can join the dots tbh. Nor want to.

My FiL is like this. He voted for Brexit, often shakes his head and says "I don't know what's going to happen" when the bad news is discussed, but also (sometimes within the same conversation) won't accept that the things going wrong are because of Brexit. He'll wang on about "foreigners coming here" but at the same time will bemoan the loss of foreign staff in services that he uses.

Basically, he voted for a bizarre, self-contradictory, oxymoronic fantasy that could never have happened, and now he can't allow himself to join the dots.

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DuncinToffee · 23/06/2022 09:26

Is this brexshit porn

A gov dot uk "dashboard" allowing the public to "count down" the amount of retained EU law being abolished post-Brexit, as just announced by Jacob Rees-Mogg in the Commons, has very strong "cones hotline" vibes to it.

twitter.com/peterwalker99/status/1539591412102139904?t=tz4rCnvgkwcQIII7rlcxnA&s=19

DuncinToffee · 23/06/2022 09:35

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DuncinToffee · 23/06/2022 11:22

BREAKING: European Parliament approves massively the candidate status of Ukraine and Moldova as member of the European Union !

Peregrina · 23/06/2022 11:35

I would love to see the list of laws people come up with.
What would be the betting that a) they are laws which were nothing to do with the EU, or b) laws which were initiated by the UK?

pointythings · 23/06/2022 12:39

I don't fancy your odds there, @Peregrina .

SerendipityJane · 23/06/2022 13:00

I guess if you have really set your course to tell the US to Go Fuck Themselves, then you may as well do it large.

www.theregister.com/2022/06/22/uk_govt_arm_ipo

The reason this isn't raising a splash stateside is - as my US connections tell me - because they've given up on the UK. (Who remembers the steel tariffs ?).