Brexit mega thread part 8: platinum jubilee edition

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While. on the other side. the Labour 'rejoin' cat is out of the bag

If true, fantastic news.

"While. on the other side. the Labour 'rejoin' cat is out of the bag"

Good.

As long as Labour sells it properly - do you want to make some easy trade deals, have cheaper food etc.

Are there any other sources confirming this?

Interesting point that one. OK so since I'm one of the voters Labour will need to convince to change my mind and back rejoin. How do you suppose they are planning on doing that?

Just so you know, "trade deals" and "cheaper food" while both desirable aren't going to move the dial 1 inch for me.

Just so you know, "trade deals" and "cheaper food" while both desirable aren't going to move the dial 1 inch for me.

Not that we thought it would anyway. Blue passports ? Hungry children ? You've been crystal clear where your money goes.

Yet the 'easiest trade deals in history' were one of the selling points for Brexit!
Fickle these Brexiters.

Bigger picture is that I’d lay money on the Tory party expecting the Republicans to return to office in 2 years and resuming FTA talks.

Assuming the Tories will still be in Government and the Republicans will be happy to talk to them after all the dicking around on the NI Protocol.

Even if the Republicans are returned, there is still a strong Irish lobby in the USA, so I doubt whether it would make a lot of difference.

Hopefully Labour will do it sensibly via rejoining SM/CU in steps and showing the benefits, before we inevitably rejoin in a few years. Although I'm not sure the EU will want to have us until we sort out our democracy, so Labour need to work with other parties to bring in electoral reform, not to mention prosecute those who have so blatantly undermined it over the past decade.

And I don't think Louise would be worth targeting by Labour - she's obviously one of the headbangers who insist it's all going swimmingly despite reality hitting in a big way. Those who voted to leave thinking it wouldn't change much, or would make things better, and have now seen the truth would be who they should target.

I'm not sure some Leave voters are as committed, cheaper food and trade deals might swing it for them. Remember, leaving the EU wasn't really a big deal with the general public until Farage (who received payments from Russia Today, so we can see where his loyalties lie and they aren't with what is best for the UK) and the ERG pushed it.

@Chevyimpala67 A couple of days ago, I spoke to someone who runs a foodbank and they said the same thing, donations are down and demand is up. Most of their clients are working and their wages aren't enough to live on since the price rises. It's shameful that wages aren't high enough to pay for life's essentials, everyone should be able to afford adequate housing and food.

Just so you know, "trade deals" and "cheaper food" while both desirable aren't going to move the dial 1 inch for me

@LouiseCollins28 you and Leave voters like you are not the voters they need to convince as we all know that nothing will convince you.

What Labour desperately needs to do is the slow and persistent messaging of the mess that Brexit has landed us in, tailoring it to those groups affected differently ie loss of markets to fishing industry, excess red tape to SME businesses, reduction of food standards to farmers, broken promises etc etc They need to do that now before we sink into apathy.

Then they also need to target those that didn’t vote. We left with a minority vote. They need to campaign and find a message that is meaningful to those who didn’t vote.

And relentless but coordinated pressure on Johnson and his sh*t show of a cabinet.

But...

Labour voted for the shitty brexshit Bill..?

Thanks for the responses to my question. To those saying I'm "not worth targetting" I have been a Labour voter really quite recently (i.e. after 2016) So if I'm not on their targetting plan to be wooed to return to Labour that would be odd IMO.

Are any of you vegan?
I've been pondering the cost of food and lots of vegan food is more expensive (nut and soya milks, butter alternatives, meat alternatives etc)
Will it mean some vegans have to go back to eating dairy?
People needing GF food already know how expensive it is (£3.50 for a small GF loaf!)
I worry some who need to eat certain foods (like those with coeliac disease) will either go hungry or have to eat cheaper food that will make them ill....

DD2 developed a serious gluten intolerance in 2016. Saw an allergy specialist, who couldn't find anything specific, definitely not coeliac.

Roll on February and DD, in a fit of COVID induced pique, ate a pack of regular Yorkshires with gravy, on the grounds that she couldn't feel any worse than she did already.

No. Reaction.

Reactions to mango and pineapple have also gone after 6 years of avoiding. So normal bread, pasta back on the menu and she knows how lucky she is because as you say GF food is horrendously expensive. I stopped buying GF cakes etc. because it was genuinely cheaper to bake my own (and I am really good at it by now!)

I worry for people with specialist dietary requirements.

I agree that softly, softly is the best approach to selling closer ties with the EU. We also have to convince them to have us back - right now we are rightly seen as perfidious Albion.

Ds2 is on a low sugar, low yeast diet and its getting harder to get sourdough bread locally.
I'd have to bake a sourdough loaf every day (I'm pretty good at GF baking too 🙂) and tbh I just don't have the time...
Its just all such a shitshow...and for what????

news.sky.com/story/prime-ministers-ethics-adviser-lord-geidt-resigns-12634638

Its just all such a shitshow...and for what????

That warm feeling that the Empire will Strike Back. Or something. I can't think of anything else, really.

spoiler alert
The Star Wars fans amongst us will remember the rather traumatic ending of The Empire Strikes Back....

@Chevyimpala67 yes, but we are living with a whole lot of people who seem to believe the Empire were the good guys...

@Chevyimpala67 - the sourdough loaves I make are "no knead" and involve very little effort. I do a double batch each time (1000g flour and c200g plus the water). I then leave one or both of the loaves in the fridge to bake later (I've left it up to a week but it gets progressively more sour - 3-4 days is optimum).

I do a fancy pattern which takes a couple of minutes, big a simple slash would suffice.

Happy to send you the recipe that I follow if you want.

Oh, yes please 🙏
The leaf loaf looks amazing!

That looks nice, I'd like the recipe as well please.

It's honestly dead easy but looks really effective because of the "oven spring". Just takes a couple of minutes with a sharp blade and then I also "scissor" the cuts round the edge of the leaves and then a couple of snips).

These pictures give more of an idea - one of the "raw" leaves and another of a Christmas tree pattern I tried out for the festive season.

I'll try PMing you - but PMs seem to be a bit hit and miss now. I'm out at the moment (so on my phone/app) but I'll try to PM when I'm back home and can get on the laptop.