Brexit mega thread 7 : global Britain is looking rather insignificant.....

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@LouiseCollins28

...and still the insults arrive. I'd have thought you'd be better served trying to change people's minds on this, but you do you.

I seem to recall you told us all that no matter what the cost it was good to be out of the EU.

That may be a valid argument. But don't try and dress it up as an economic one. And don't get all faux upset when you get called out for it.

As we are now seeing in the wider picture - letting people with that level of economic nous run the country has been a disaster.

@LouiseCollins28

...and still the insults arrive. I'd have thought you'd be better served trying to change people's minds on this, but you do you.

i'd have thought anyone who voted brexit and has now seen Putins cruelty in Ukraine would hang their heads in shame that they voted for Brexit, a policy backed & funded by Putin.

Many countries that Brexitiers looked too as a replacement for EU trade have shown themselves to be firm supporters of Putin, India Brazil, much of Africa, Asia, China, Pakistan all back Russia's actions, yes great allies they proven .... not.

Why not ask yourselves why Putin wanted Brexit? why Le Pen and AFD back Russia?
Does Putin want a strong EU or a fractured broken europe? what suits his aims?

The UKs future, its trade and influence has and always will be tied to mainland Europe, we just need a govt that recognises this.

Rejoiners patronising people has surely been tested to distruction on these threads. Been the way of things for years on here.

And Leavers calling us Remoaners and asking 'What don't you understand about democracy?" was not patronising?

You have got your Brexit, but you are still getting Leavers, which I will confine to people in Government or prominent people like Farage, bellyaching that it isn't the Brexit they wanted. Mostly because they were too lazy or pig headed to put in the work required. Take the fisheries Minister for example, for whom organising a Nativity trail was more important that reading what she had voted into Law, and then finding out that it wasn't such a good deal. I could go on, but why bother?

In light of the recent maternal care review, the uk government is committed to making NHS maternity care some of the safest in the world. Oh fgs just stop with the meaningless world beating bs and throw some scraps to funding more training for doctors and nurses and building some of those 40 promised new hospitals.

I could go on, but why bother?

Because someone has to keep Clav busy ?

Why not ask yourselves why Putin wanted Brexit?

It’s pretty obvious that it would leave us:
-more isolated and with less influence
-divided as a nation
-economically weaker
-culturally weaker

That’s the reality of where the vote has left us. Given Putins ambitions are now clear, it doesn’t take a genius to figure out why the above might be to his advantage.

In light of the recent maternal care review, the uk government is committed to making NHS maternity care some of the safest in the world.

One gets a weary sense of deja vu about this. There have been scandals in maternity care over the last 40 years or so, much of which comes down to inadequate staffing. A tragedy occurs, lessons will be learnt, blah blah, and it all carries on the same until the next scandal.

Rejoiner? That’s new, yeah, why not? But why would they want us? We’ve shown them how careless, obstructive and disregarding of international commitments we are.

People just don't like being asked questions, it's mean, patronising or per Sunak, a smear campaign.

@DrBlackbird

In light of the recent maternal care review, the uk government is committed to making NHS maternity care some of the safest in the world. Oh fgs just stop with the meaningless world beating bs and throw some scraps to funding more training for doctors and nurses and building some of those 40 promised new hospitals.

Where 's that £350 million a week ???????

Sorry, anyone who swallowed that without all sorts of basic arithmetical alarm bells going off is hardly economically literate.

A hospital near us moved to new buildings, I wonder if that is one of the 40 new hospitals crossed off.

@DrBlackbird

In light of the recent maternal care review, the uk government is committed to making NHS maternity care some of the safest in the world. Oh fgs just stop with the meaningless world beating bs and throw some scraps to funding more training for doctors and nurses and building some of those 40 promised new hospitals.

My DD works in NHS, staff shortages and lack of community provision is worse than ever. Partly caused by so many EU citizens returning home, the health ins levy is a rip off, these people are working paying taxes... own goal brexit voters.

There will be no improvement in nhs provision... why should there be? Tory ministers will either have private cover and/or go to the front of the queue, no 4 hour wait for an ambulance which my friend had to endure after a heart attack.

Oh dear

Seems Dishi Rishi claimed to be a US resident for tax purposes

news.sky.com/story/rishi-sunak-is-in-his-most-difficult-period-as-chancellor-and-it-could-be-about-to-get-worse-12584829

The queues to Dover are not getting shorter any time soon

A key part of the U.K.’s post-Brexit border IT system could remain out of service until at least Monday (Bloomberg)

@DuncinToffee

People just don't like being asked questions, it's mean, patronising or per Sunak, a smear campaign.

Ask me any question you like folks and I'll do my best to answer.

@DuncinToffee

A hospital near us moved to new buildings, I wonder if that is one of the 40 new hospitals crossed off.

Oh yes, that is how they will count it.

@Alexandra2001 a friend who lives alone without nearby help at the time couldn’t get out of bed and waited 16 hours for an ambulance.

Meanwhile when our local ambulance service was closed due to cut backs there was all the usual bs about insisting there would be no reduction in services.

I’m just so so tired of the lies. And tired of those who enable the perpetuation of the lies.

Mums being discharged today
20 hour wait in a&e on a chair. No trolleys to be had.
She has Sepsis
3 day wait for bed on ward
She needs further tests but they'll be done on an outpatient basis as they need the bed
It's interesting..
Probably for the first time ever tory voters are suffering the consequences of their vote. Ditto brexshit
Usually it's the poor and vulnerable that have suffered.
It's Interesting.

Ask me any question you like folks and I'll do my best to answer

Do you feel that by supporting Brexit, you assisted in Putins aim to divide and weaken Europe? He after all wants the break up of the EU.

In the light of recent events, its very clear why.

[quote DrBlackbird]@Alexandra2001 a friend who lives alone without nearby help at the time couldn’t get out of bed and waited 16 hours for an ambulance.

Meanwhile when our local ambulance service was closed due to cut backs there was all the usual bs about insisting there would be no reduction in services.

I’m just so so tired of the lies. And tired of those who enable the perpetuation of the lies.[/quote]
Sadly, our area is served by the worst performing ambulance Trust in England

I’m just so so tired of the lies. And tired of those who enable the perpetuation of the lies.

Let's hope that sufficient numbers feel the same come the next election. And not be fooled by the 'well at least they know what a woman is'. They may do, Johnson certainly does, but don't think that means they are not as misogynistic as they come and won't do women any favours come the next election.

@DrBlackbird

My friend suffered a major heart attack at home, 999 said there would be a 4 hr delay, his wife took him to AE herself, his heart stopped on arrival, he was 10 minutes from death, there followed a major heart op, which he fortunately survived.

999 advised NOT to take him to AE, had she obeyed them, we would have gone to his funeral.
Tory cuts, brexit, mis management of the NHS and especially social care are killing people, yet still we back Johnson.

@DuncinToffee

The queues to Dover are not getting shorter any time soon

A key part of the U.K.’s post-Brexit border IT system could remain out of service until at least Monday (Bloomberg)

Er, that's an IT system which has never worked. What's so special about Monday ?

And not be fooled by the 'well at least they know what a woman is'.

Oh FFS, science is science. No matter what semantic somersaults you may try, XX is different to XY at a cellular genetic level. Much as Hydrogen and Oxygen are different fucking molecules and will always be so.

The real debate has nothing to do with science, and everything to do with culture society and politics and how they inform our administrative and judicial systems.

Only it's not a debate, is it ? It's a "debate".

The bottom line is women or not, Tory rule is a disaster for everyone. Especially the children of the children of women that Tories "know are women"

999 advised NOT to take him to AE, had she obeyed them, we would have gone to his funeral. Tory cuts, brexit, mis management of the NHS and especially social care are killing people, yet still we back Johnson.

To be fair, this government has tightened up on the funeral industry. Proof positive that consumer pressure works.