Brexit mega thread 7 : global Britain is looking rather insignificant.....

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@DGRossetti

And not be fooled by the 'well at least they know what a woman is'.

Oh FFS, science is science. No matter what semantic somersaults you may try, XX is different to XY at a cellular genetic level. Much as Hydrogen and Oxygen are different fucking molecules and will always be so.

The real debate has nothing to do with science, and everything to do with culture society and politics and how they inform our administrative and judicial systems.

Only it's not a debate, is it ? It's a "debate".

The bottom line is women or not, Tory rule is a disaster for everyone. Especially the children of the children of women that Tories "know are women"

No 3rd gamete found to my knowledge?

Tbh funerals are probably going to be the only growth industry in tory brexshit Britain

@DGRossetti

And not be fooled by the 'well at least they know what a woman is'.

Oh FFS, science is science. No matter what semantic somersaults you may try, XX is different to XY at a cellular genetic level. Much as Hydrogen and Oxygen are different fucking molecules and will always be so.

The real debate has nothing to do with science, and everything to do with culture society and politics and how they inform our administrative and judicial systems.

Only it's not a debate, is it ? It's a "debate".

The bottom line is women or not, Tory rule is a disaster for everyone. Especially the children of the children of women that Tories "know are women"

I'd wager the majority of GC women won't be fooled @dgrossetti

I'm certainly not

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@Alexandra2001

Ask me any question you like folks and I'll do my best to answer

Do you feel that by supporting Brexit, you assisted in Putins aim to divide and weaken Europe? He after all wants the break up of the EU.

In the light of recent events, its very clear why.

I don't.

Europe already was weak and divided and he's taken advantage of it.

Putin's aims, to my mind are 1) to expand Russia's sphere of influence and the physical territory he controls to take back some of what was the Soviet Union. 2) to extract as much money from those parts of Europe he has no territorial claim over as he can to fund the Russian economy and support aim 1).

Brexit doesn't really help or hinder him in doing either of those things IMO. What would be different if the UK were still in the EU?

Would the military response to the Ukraine invasion be different? - No
Would the sanctions placed on Russia be different? - Possibly but little difference IMO

To its credit the EU has appeared somewhat less week and divided since the invasion happened. However it's still consuming vast amounts of Russian energy which Britain apparently uses relatively little and so still funding the Russian state. That does matter.

The UK being in the EU or not has zero impact on where the German govt choose to buy gas from.

I'd wager the majority of GC women won't be fooled @dgrossetti

I suspect some of the protests are from people who are glad they have a fig leaf ("but Jeremy Corbyn") with which they can cover their true motivations.

However I also know that for all the bragging here and elsewhere, fuck all will translate into votes. As we know most local elections are unusual if they break the 30% turnout (my ward had 27.14% turnout last time). Returning to the theme of having a sense for dodgy numbers, it was clear from the off that there was no way SM postings were reflective of demographics.

I wonder where the skill comes from ? Mathematics or physics ? I can distinctly recall both disciplines making a point of sanity checking results for the inevitable misplaced decimal that leads to a nonsense answer. Maybe it's more physics where a milli- and a micro- slip can easily happen.

@DuncinToffee

A hospital near us moved to new buildings, I wonder if that is one of the 40 new hospitals crossed off.

You say new buildings, plural. I suspect that's several of the 40 ticked off...

fascinating how suddenly Brexiteers forget about majorities ...

Yes, Brexiters seem to be challenged both statistically and geographically. You do have to wonder why when so many Government Brexiters were educated at Public schools.

This is just hilarious. But unfortunately, also quite true...

@DGRossetti

fascinating how suddenly Brexiteers forget about majorities ...

2 things. More negative sentiment than positive? Sure, I can see that, plain as day. Vote was back in 2016, result as advertised.

Just as an aside though, 45% is a majority now? Interesting, i'll store that one away for re-use in future.

I was going to reply, pointing out the fallacy evident in your own argument , and then I reminded myself that there was no point

@HannibalHeyes

This is just hilarious. But unfortunately, also quite true...

That is so funny.

Thanks to these threads, I have discovered so many new comedians, thank you all

HannibalHeyes
"This is just hilarious. But unfortunately, also quite true..." As Chris Grey explains...

chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.com/2022/04/peek-boo-brexit.html

Peek-a-boo Brexit

A few weeks ago, when it was revealed that the government no longer keeps records on delays and lorry queues at Dover, I remarked in passing that it was like babies playing peek-a-boo. Not realising that things exist even when they can’t see them, they get immense amusement from the sudden appearance of that which had previously been hidden from view. That’s understandably great fun for people in the very early stages of cognitive development, but few would think it a satisfactory basis for public policy. Yet in many ways it is almost a defining characteristic of Brexit, which from the outset has relied upon keeping the complex realities of Brexit out of sight, as if under the impression that they thereby cease to exist.

@prettybird

I was going to reply, pointing out the fallacy evident in your own argument , and then I reminded myself that there was no point

Assuming that was directed at me, what fallacy?

People claimed on here that everyone who didn't vote for Leave was against leaving, including both the 16.1m who voted to remain and the 12.9m who didn't vote at all.

People claimed all those "voters" to assert that there wasn't a majority for leave.That's technically true, however, of those who did vote a clear majority were for leave, 52/48 as we know.

How is what I'm doing with the sentiment figures here any different? I'm including all those who said "made no difference" to make a "no worse" total which on DGRs graph totals 50%. Thats technically true as well and yet I'm being accused of peddling falsehoods.

They are doing the same with Covid Harriet

TechHeads take on it.

www.theregister.com/2022/04/08/after_minimum_viable_product_rollout/

It's rare to find any sustained sincere Brexit supporters in tech. Or if they exist they're doing a bloody good job of playing remainers.

(Goes back to Areas of Responsibility that now cover "Brexit readiness and mitigation")

DuncinToffee
"They are doing the same with Covid Harriet"

Exactly

What would be different if the UK were still in the EU?

Putin's decision to invade might well have assumed a disunited response because of the uk/eu split. The United global response was clearly something of a surprise

Wrt the question on Putin's alleged aim to divide and weaken Europe...

Brexit had the opposite effect imo.

Either he horribly miscalculated or it wasn't something he was 100% committed to.

Ditto with the invasion of Ukraine - nothing galvanizes Europe like a military threat from the east. Hence the complete forgiveness of Germany after WW2 and the idea of the EU in the first place

Threats from the west otoh tend to be welcomed with open arms. The people who have the most to gain from Brexit are American hedge funds and healthcare corporations.

Either he horribly miscalculated or it wasn't something he was 100% committed to.

A UK permanently hovering between in/out; never properly settled in either (which is going to be a cause of increasing frustration with Brexiteers, as Lord "Dim" Frost was kind enough to confirm to his paymasters yesterday) is far more useless to the world than a UK at peace with itself.

assuming that by "threats from the west" you really mean Amercian taxpayers footing most of the bill for defending Western Europe for 7 decades and counting yes you bet they are welcomed.

Agree with the rest of the post though, you're right nothing galvanizes Europe like an external threat from the East.

Threats from the west otoh tend to be welcomed with open arms. The people who have the most to gain from Brexit are American hedge funds and healthcare corporations.

Sadly so true - and the rich of the US and UK welcomed the collapse of Communism with open arms, and loved what Putin's oligarchs were doing - stealing from the average person to enrich themselves. What was not to like?

Sunak has now admitted he held a US green card until Oct 2021, for a full 19 months while he was Chancellor

@DuncinToffee

Sunak has now admitted he held a US green card until Oct 2021, for a full 19 months while he was Chancellor

Shame the State Department wouldn't lie for him isn't it ?

Not sure how I feel about a minister of the crown owning allegiance to a foreign power. Any foreign power.

Can the USA take some action against him for lying about his intention to stay there?

I find it at bit rich him talking about potentially going back to India to look after his wife's parents when they age. This is the man who was born in England and whose parents came from East Africa.

But I am glad he's been found out for being the blatant hypocrite that he is.