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Brexit mega thread part 6: Invasion and Evasion

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Opal8 · 24/02/2022 19:54

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ChiswickFlo · 24/03/2022 20:32

@DuncinToffee

Not everything of Sunak's PR stunt was aired...

Paul Waugh
Includes this intel on the Sainsbury's petrol pump photo-op:

A motorcyclist walked up behind him, made a drinking gesture (an apparent reference to Partygate) and then rubbed his fingers together (money for you, but not for me).
The footage was not aired.

Well...natch.

One does wonder if the right wing press are getting a bit jumpy?

Like the govt mismanagement of the covid pandemic, these cost of living rises will affect tory voters too.

Usually tory voters are better off (or at least, unaffected) by tory policies. Not so anymore. And I'm sure many are rather pissed off about that if todays front pages are anything to go by...

It's interesting that brexit/covid/poor living conditions are affecting tories too, particularly the so called red wall voters.

Oh, for a decent opposition!!!

HannibalHeyes · 24/03/2022 20:53

More great Brexshit opportunities...

FrankieStein403 · 25/03/2022 08:00

Question time last night ought to have been quite sobering for the tory on the panel - basically torn apart on every question. But given the number of times he (Damien hinds) chuckled/responded with inane grin I suspect he's shrugged it off.

DuncinToffee · 25/03/2022 09:48

"President Biden - "All of this is bringing the European Union & the United States even closer together, & that's a win for all of us."

DGRossetti · 25/03/2022 16:06

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Brexit mega thread part 6: Invasion and Evasion
Peregrina · 25/03/2022 19:07

Why should Johnson have been invited? He made it quite clear that the UK didn't need the EU.

ChiswickFlo · 25/03/2022 19:09

Quite.

prettybird · 25/03/2022 20:29

Diddums Grin

He's nothing but a toddler stamping his feet because he got what he wanted but didn't realise what the full consequences were, despite being warned Confused

ChiswickFlo · 25/03/2022 21:29

@prettybird

Diddums Grin

He's nothing but a toddler stamping his feet because he got what he wanted but didn't realise what the full consequences were, despite being warned Confused

Except we know he didn't want it though...leave.eu was a handy wagon to hitch his poisonous ambition cart to...

I think the dawning realisation of the UKs global irrelevance has been accelerated by both Bidens victory and the war in Ukraine.

As you say..."diddums"

ChiswickFlo · 26/03/2022 00:13

news.sky.com/story/p-o-ferry-detained-after-crew-familiarisation-and-training-failures-uk-coastguard-says-12575219

Anyone else thinking the evolution of this story is a bit...odd?

The govt knew what P&O were going to do the day before..they did nothing.

But now...select committee, impounding ships...

Whats going on? Is the penny dropping that UK workers are now seen as disposable and unprotected by their own govt?

Peregrina · 26/03/2022 07:23

Bother I wrote a long reply to the two posts immediately above and it went and disappeared.

Briefly, I think public opinion is turning, but the Government is so up itself that it hasn't realised.

Covid - out of step with a general public willing to obey quite draconian rules, for the good of everyone, only to see the Government partying away, giving dodgy PPE contracts to mates, Dido Harding and her failed test and trace.

School meals Marcus Rashford shaming them into a u-turn.

Ukraine - the public more than willing to help refugees, so the Government forced again to try to make a half hearted u-turn. While at the same time they were enjoying cosying up to Putin and having oligarchs' money washing through Londongrad.

Now P & O.

I think the public are now fed up with this all. We are clearly not all in it together.

DrBlackbird · 26/03/2022 08:04

Is the penny dropping that UK workers are now seen as disposable and unprotected by their own govt?

Surely one of the aims in leaving the EU was precisely to water down employment laws? We know that the Tories look to the Republicans for inspiration. Fire at will laws must seem v appealing to those Tory business donors. No constructive dismissals, much fewer employment tribunals etc.

What they didn’t anticipate was just looking quite so shit ever since Johnson set foot in No 10. Really, has there ever been such an utterly chaotic and incompetent PM? Specifically on Johnson we’ve seen the gold wallpapergate and lies about whose paying for unnecessary reno’s, to Johnson opting out of early cobra meetings and his ridiculous Feb 2020 speech, to the Cummingsgate shenanigans, to the parties, to embarrassment of Peppa Pig speech (ours, not his as he doesn’t ‘do’ embarrassment) right through to comparing bloody Brexit with Ukrainians being killed on a daily basis. The cock ups of his wider cabinet are too many to list, but we can simply look at each and every one of them.

I wonder, but without much hope, if the P&O sackings might finally wake some up to the reality that Johnson’s Tory party simply don’t even register the average voter’s existence. Your consistent Tory voter won’t be put off. But really, you’re average not so well off and increasingly struggling voter must be starting to take notice!

ChiswickFlo · 26/03/2022 08:09

Surely one of the aims in leaving the EU was precisely to water down employment laws? We know that the Tories look to the Republicans for inspiration. Fire at will laws must seem v appealing to those Tory business donors. No constructive dismissals, much fewer employment tribunals etc

Well...yes, obviously. But most brexshit voters won't have realised or didn't care (it'll be worth the pain...)

I'm thinking JRMs "50 years to see any brexshit benefit" is rather optimistic ..

ChiswickFlo · 26/03/2022 08:10

I wonder, but without much hope, if the P&O sackings might finally wake some up to the reality that Johnson’s Tory party simply don’t even register the average voter’s existence. Your consistent Tory voter won’t be put off. But really, you’re average not so well off and increasingly struggling voter must be starting to take notice!

Nah.

It'll be from next month when even tory voters get hit by the cost of living crisis that things will start to fall apart a bit.

The May LEs will be...interesting

DrBlackbird · 26/03/2022 08:17

Just a reminder of what he said about worker’s rights in that 2020 speech…

and here again I dispel the absurd caricature of Britain as a nation bent on the slash and burn of workers’ rights and environmental protection, as if we are saved from Dickensian squalor only by enlightened EU regulation, as if it was only thanks to Brussels that we are not preparing to send children back up chimneys. In one field after another, Britain is far ahead

He then mentions paid paternity leave, right to flexible working, minimum wage (most I believe introduced by Labour) before adding that: you will see us exporting more fantastic ships built on the Clyde, more wonderful bone china pottery from Northern Ireland, beef from Wales

Not sure those are going so well. And still people defend him.

ChiswickFlo · 26/03/2022 08:23

....and all the sewage currently being pumped into our rivers and seas...

DrBlackbird · 26/03/2022 08:39

@ChiswickFlo

....and all the sewage currently being pumped into our rivers and seas...
You’d think some bright spark in Labour would make a big list and start reminding the voters every day of the lies and liabilities of the Johnson government. But no, we have bloody Starmer talking about bloody Brexit opportunities. He lost me on that one. Truly I despair in not knowing who to vote for anymore! Angry
FrankieStein403 · 26/03/2022 09:09

Labour cannot afford to attack brexit - it gives the tories an open goal.
the only thing they can say is 'make brexit better'

HarrietPierce7 · 26/03/2022 09:18

Well apparently because Johnson said" biology is overwhelmingly important " the majority on this thread are voting for him as the Tories are the only party who know what a woman is.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4511979-Boris-has-nailed-colours-to-mast?pg=21

I'm sure for Johnson it's just a matter of political expediency .

HarrietPierce7 · 26/03/2022 09:27

FrankieStein403
"Labour cannot afford to attack brexit - it gives the tories an open goal.
the only thing they can say is 'make brexit better' "

But it is disappointing and I'm a Labour Party member who voted for Starmer.

ChiswickFlo · 26/03/2022 09:28

They can't attack brexit because they voted for it

ChiswickFlo · 26/03/2022 09:29

@HarrietPierce7

Well apparently because Johnson said" biology is overwhelmingly important " the majority on this thread are voting for him as the Tories are the only party who know what a woman is.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4511979-Boris-has-nailed-colours-to-mast?pg=21

I'm sure for Johnson it's just a matter of political expediency .

Well I'm as GC as they come but I'm not voting for them!
borntobequiet · 26/03/2022 09:29

Genderism is a hugely important component of the culture wars and Russia has been stirring that pot very effectively. It’s dispiriting to hear Labour spouting anti-women, anti-science, anti- common sense nonsense. If they can be ideologically captured so easily by this, what next?
I wouldn’t vote Conservative - ever - but I can’t vote Labour either.

ChiswickFlo · 26/03/2022 09:31

There are 2 gametes.

Get back to me if you find another.

pointythings · 26/03/2022 09:32

Well, at least we'll have free speech, which going by what Raab is saying here is opening the door to airing everyone's worst excesses even more than has been te case since the referendum. Welcome back racism, misogyny, homophobia, because 'Free SPeech'.