Brexit mega thread part 6: Invasion and Evasion

[Opal8]

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I don't have much to say

I'm devastated for the people of Ukraine and I hope that De Pfeffle doesn't think this is hos "Churchill moment". It isn't. And he is a pound land version of a politican.

I hope that this finishes him. And takes the remnant of the Tory Party with him. Remember that they didn't get rid of Chamberlain straight away and Johnson is more like him that he would care to admit.

He is B&M Boris.

It is devastating for Ukraine, I feel for the people. I can't quite believe how crazy the world is, every time you think you have reached the bottom, another appears. Interesting to see Farage and Trump with pro-Russian tweets/soundbites, is this confirmation that they are assets? With Farage, it explains the rationale for promoting Brexit, he is certainly not promoting the UK's interests.

I made a comment much earlier on linking this war with Brexit and someone accused me of using the war to pedal my own agenda. Some people are so short sighted that they cannot see these two events are linked!

There’s nothing more I’d like than to see the back of Johnson but I’ve been increasingly disappointed about Starmer.

Labour will seek to “reimagine the role of government” as a partner to the private sector and take advantage of the opportunities of Brexit, Keir Starmer will say in a speech on the economy

FGS what a load of rubbish.

@DrBlackbird

There’s nothing more I’d like than to see the back of Johnson but I’ve been increasingly disappointed about Starmer.

Labour will seek to “reimagine the role of government” as a partner to the private sector and take advantage of the opportunities of Brexit, Keir Starmer will say in a speech on the economy

FGS what a load of rubbish.

Jesus suffering fuck

We are doomed

Unless Labour splinter and become sane

Miloš Zeman's remarks are interesting.
He has been widely seen as in Putin's pocket for some time. Last year, he wanted to sack the health minister for not rushing through Sputnik vaccination in the Czech Republic.
Russia is deeply embedded in former Eastern bloc countries, where there's a lot of pro-Russian media infiltration.
Some of these states have been through significant government change in recent years and are weak, even more so after Covid. For Zeman to come out so openly and radically against Putin is a sign that there is real fear now of major Russian expansionism.

@Libertybear80

I made a comment much earlier on linking this war with Brexit and someone accused me of using the war to pedal my own agenda. Some people are so short sighted that they cannot see these two events are linked!

I realise this might attract ire I genuinely don't know what the link is, nor how i'd find out

So much news is opinion and not facts

If being out of the EU keeps us out of a war, I'd consider that a surprising good aspect of Brexit.

Well, one link is Putin.

It is not opinion but fact that Russia interfered both in the US elections and in the Brexit referendum and that a weakened EU (and a UK which works less closely with the US) is exactly what Putin had been trying to achieve for years.

@AuldAlliance

It is not opinion but fact that Russia interfered both in the US elections and in the Brexit referendum and that a weakened EU (and a UK which works less closely with the US) is exactly what Putin had been trying to achieve for years.

But that doesn't stop all three uniting against Russia if they so wish?

Being in/out of the EU is not very relevant to whether the UK goes to war. The EU cannot declare war as it is not a sovereign state.
The UK can and it did, on Iraq, while it was in the EU because, wait for it, it was a sovereign state despite apparently being governed by unelected Brussels bureaucrats.

Having a shite, incompetent PM and Cabinet is probably far more dangerous than being in or out of the EU.

Good grief

More rubbish being spouted about an EU Army

IT IS NOT TRUE. NEVER WAS. FGS DO SOME BASIC RESEARCH

@AuldAlliance

Being in/out of the EU is not very relevant to whether the UK goes to war. The EU cannot declare war as it is not a sovereign state. The UK can and it did, on Iraq, while it was in the EU because, wait for it, it was a sovereign state despite apparently being governed by unelected Brussels bureaucrats.

Having a shite, incompetent PM and Cabinet is probably far more dangerous than being in or out of the EU.

Now I feel like you're saying there's no Brexit link, after saying there was a Brexit link. Sorry if I misunderstood, which is quite possible.

@Opal8

Good grief

More rubbish being spouted about an EU Army

IT IS NOT TRUE. NEVER WAS. FGS DO SOME BASIC RESEARCH

Literally no post on this thread says this

Is this one of those threads you're only meant to be on if you were involved in all other threads on the same subject?

Regardless...I will go before I get more confused.

But that doesn't stop all three uniting against Russia if they so wish?

Sure, they can unite against Russia if they wish. Though the UK are now bit players, whatever BJ likes to think. And probably viewed with some wariness, given that the party currently in government are in hock to the Russians.

I'm missing something, I think. You asked what the link was between Brexit and this war. I was answering that.

There is a link between Brexit and this war: Putin is the link, for the reasons I explained.

But Brexit makes no difference to whether the UK goes to war with Russia or not, since that's a decision for the UK to make. There is no link between those two things.

Hope that's clearer.

The name of the game here is NATO in which US and UK are major players. EU is second tier on this, and is being shown to be an irrelevancy when it's a military issue

Hi!
Apparently USA and UK jets fueling in air over NATO countries next to Ukraine just to remind Putin we are here. So trying to help Ukraine without showing aggression. Now if Russia happens to down one of those planes over NATO country well.......

@EmmaH2022

The link on the previous thread to the Carol cadwalladr twitter thread would be a good starting point.

I genuinely don't know what the link is, nor how i'd find out between Brexit and this war…

Putin has long seen the EU as the only significant force geographically close that could be strong enough to be a counterweight to Russia. He’s played the long and strategic game. To undermine the EU, he’s:

• destabilised the middl

Putin has been working to undermine democracy in the West for at least a decade.

Financing Trump and Leave.EU is only a part of it. And its worked brilliantly.

There are demonstrations in Russia against the war. Also reports a platoon of Russian soldiers surrendered because they did not know they were sent in to kill fellow russian people.

And is oft repeated on these threads...

FOLLOW THE MONEY

@Libertybear80

I made a comment much earlier on linking this war with Brexit and someone accused me of using the war to pedal my own agenda. Some people are so short sighted that they cannot see these two events are linked!

Honestly?

After a couple of conversations I've had with random people this week that doesn't surprise me.

I actually spoke to someone who actually believes the covid vaccine 5G bullshit yesterday. It was eye opening. They walk among us, folks!