Brexit mega thread part 6: Invasion and Evasion

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Phew! Everyone who was worried that Geoffrey Cox was going to struggle to pay his bills can breathe a sigh of relief. The bill to restrict 2nd incomes for MPs has been dropped.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/mar/17/plans-to-cap-uk-mps-earnings-from-second-jobs-dropped

[quote DrBlackbird]Phew! Everyone who was worried that Geoffrey Cox was going to struggle to pay his bills can breathe a sigh of relief. The bill to restrict 2nd incomes for MPs has been dropped.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/mar/17/plans-to-cap-uk-mps-earnings-from-second-jobs-dropped[/quote]
Venal, self serving fuckers

Louise:
Re demanding explanations - yes, I'll admit I did insist, which was because I genuinely want to understand your thoughts - and then "dismissing" them: well, you did respond, voluntarily (as we all do) for which I'll thank you again; however I don't actually feel as if you really explained, at least not in a way that I could understand. My inability to understand your explanation is my problem of course.

@ICouldHaveCheckedFirst

Louise: Re demanding explanations - yes, I'll admit I did insist, which was because I genuinely want to understand your thoughts - and then "dismissing" them: well, you did respond, voluntarily (as we all do) for which I'll thank you again; however I don't actually feel as if you really explained, at least not in a way that I could understand. My inability to understand your explanation is my problem of course.

So I've responded to you on working time, and about UK ending membership of Euratom, the latter to the extent I can given my (self admitted) lack of knowledge in this area.Not sure what else you want?

If what you'd really like is for me to recant and say that I was wrong in voting to leave then I'm afraid not going to because I don't think I was wrong then or am now.

If that's what you're expecting then I'm sorry to disappoint you.

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My squirrel is back
He didnt eat all my spring bulbs despite my suspicious

suspicions

[quote DuncinToffee]This week in Tory
twitter.com/russincheshire/status/1504126014540042240?s=21[/quote]
Reading that through makes me weep. Just when you think that our inept government could not feasibly get any worse, they do.

The news just keeps getting better…

www.theguardian.com/society/2022/mar/17/betting-against-the-nhs-1bn-private-hospital-to-open-in-central-london

So I've responded to you on working time, and about UK ending membership of Euratom,

Sorry, I wasn't clear on how these benefit you. As far as I can see, you think that the working time arrangements will stay the same even though they were EU law. (I don't know who proposed them, so I don't know if they are 'pure' EU law, or 'the idea came from the UK' EU law.) My reading of what you said was that if they were EU law, they should be scrapped. As for the isotopes - you hope that some time in the future we will develop our own capacity. I haven't heard of any Government plans to do this - you would think they might have made some.

Reading the news about P & O ferries, I don't see the current Government caring too much about British workers jobs and rights.

Louise - "If what you'd really like is for me to recant and say that I was wrong in voting to leave then I'm afraid not going to because I don't think I was wrong then or am now.

If that's what you're expecting then I'm sorry to disappoint you."

It wasn't what I was expecting. Therefore I'm not disappointed.

Sad news re: P&O

Peregrina I don't think Louise wants all useful formerly EU laws scrapped - just rebranded with a Union flag sticker even if that costs the taxpayer money.

@Peregrina

So I've responded to you on working time, and about UK ending membership of Euratom,

Sorry, I wasn't clear on how these benefit you. As far as I can see, you think that the working time arrangements will stay the same even though they were EU law. (I don't know who proposed them, so I don't know if they are 'pure' EU law, or 'the idea came from the UK' EU law.) My reading of what you said was that if they were EU law, they should be scrapped. As for the isotopes - you hope that some time in the future we will develop our own capacity. I haven't heard of any Government plans to do this - you would think they might have made some.

They don't benefit me, I haven't suggested that they would as far as I'm aware.

The working time directive has, as I understand it, been replaced with working time regulations that essentially say the exact same thing. Max 48 hrs per week with an "opt out" process for particular employees if memory serves.

Similarly with isotpes I'm not aware that supply is at risk. Again I didn't claim this was a benefit either but post Brexit both things have simply happened, to very little effect so far, that I can see.

In the end, all the Leavers' waffle comes back down to "foreign anything is by definition bad."

@pointythings

Peregrina I don't think Louise wants all useful formerly EU laws scrapped - just rebranded with a Union flag sticker even if that costs the taxpayer money.

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@pointythings

Peregrina I don't think Louise wants all useful formerly EU laws scrapped - just rebranded with a Union flag sticker even if that costs the taxpayer money.

It's amazing how deep and pervasive the "not invented here" emotion can be when you're out of comprehension.

(See also: it's all about me )

Sigh.
Flagism.
It akin to a fetish 🙄

Been reading ds1s next essay for his politics undergraduate course...on Suez.

Truly nothing new under the sun ☹️

I'm not reading anymore News today.

I'm filled with waters of rage 😡

Luckily i have biscuits

NOTE: I know nothing about the cruise industry!

However...

I remember saying to dh at end of 2020 that I couldn't see the cruise industry surviving. Maybe the really elite ones (quee mary to new york etc) but not the likes of P&O.

Cruise ships are floating petri dishes of germs/viruses and people are obviously now far more aware of such things. Then all those poor cruise workers who were basically imprisoned on them for months when the pandemic hit...dreadful.

How can such an industry recover after 2 years of no revenue?

Anyone with any knowledge that can give insight?

But we are still going to need ferries for freight if nothing else, living on a series of islands.

I am not sure how Johnson's 'tilt to the Pacific' is going to do away with channel ferries, and Irish Sea ferries.

Personally the last few times I have been on ferries from the UK it's been with Brittany Ferries.