Brexit mega thread part 6: Invasion and Evasion

[Opal8]

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To be clear, I think Patel, BJ and the other liars should not remain in their jobs. Their lying is open, blatant, repeated and - in the case of the disinformation strewn around by Patel about visa centres - cruel and inhumane. There are several hundred people in Calais trying to work out where the fuck to go to get a visa, while the UK gvmt crows about being best. France is paying for their accommodation and train fares, while the UK offers kitkats, salted crisps and misleading information, on top of demanding visas every other European country has waived.

However, I don't think Bercow has been stitched up.

@AuldAlliance

To be clear, I think Patel, BJ and the other liars should not remain in their jobs. Their lying is open, blatant, repeated and - in the case of the disinformation strewn around by Patel about visa centres - cruel and inhumane. There are several hundred people in Calais trying to work out where the fuck to go to get a visa, while the UK gvmt crows about being best. France is paying for their accommodation and train fares, while the UK offers kitkats, salted crisps and misleading information, on top of demanding visas every other European country has waived.

However, I don't think Bercow has been stitched up.

No I don't think so either but the cynic in me thinks that he has only been punished in such a way because of his stance as speaker in insuring parliamentary law was followed.

I hatef that Brexit has turned this country further towards closed mindedness than any other event ever. I currently live in a Brexity area, and people who would love to see the UK house more Ukrainian refugees hate to be reminded that this is what their vote for it meant. Closed borders. I haven't had my head kicked in yet but I suspect it's just a matter of time.

Our government of corrupt arseholes need kicking out and doing bird.

@Peregrina

I wonder how our Brexiters are feeling now, with countries applying to be EU members? Truss of course is bigging up NATO and pretending like a true Brexiter that the EU never existed. We were assured that it was a lost cause but these countries don't seem to think so. I don't see any of them applying for the Trans Pacific Trade Partnership.

I saw also on the Ukraine thread that Johnson had gone and appointed an ex Remainer - one that he'd taken the whip from - to try to sort out the refugee problem.

Feeling pretty good tbh. European defence spending is too low. US defence spending (on figures I found today) approaches 4x the total for the EU (and btw Britain's is FAR to low as well, I'm not absolving UK PMs (including Conservative ones) from this...Berst you could say is they always met the 2%

Self determination matters. If nations want to apply to be EU members that's great, as long as that is the decision of their people and not just their government I'd support them in making it, 100%. Peoples and nations should also be free to leave.

One more thing I'll add without futher comment. If you want to thank the person who is responsible for Western Europe being free now, and enjoying that freedom for the last 75 years then the person you need to thank (if you can find one) is a very elderly Russian.

If you'd like to thank someone else for the freedom Western Europeans enjoyed in the last 70 years or so then you need to find a slightly younger Russian, Common enemies bring people together.

Not only is Britain accepting very few refugees from Ukraine, it is putting pressure on Ireland not to accept 100,000 refugees.

"Ireland ‘won’t shut Border’ over British concerns about Ukrainian refugees

The Daily Telegraph on Tuesday quoted an unnamed British government source expressing concern that Ireland’s plan to give shelter to up to 100,000 people fleeing the Russian invasion could pose a security risk to the UK. The number of refugees who have arrived in Britain remains in the low hundreds."

www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/ireland-won-t-shut-border-over-british-concerns-about-ukranian-refugees-ryan-1.4821428

[quote JackieWeaver101]Not only is Britain accepting very few refugees from Ukraine, it is putting pressure on Ireland not to accept 100,000 refugees.

"Ireland ‘won’t shut Border’ over British concerns about Ukrainian refugees

The Daily Telegraph on Tuesday quoted an unnamed British government source expressing concern that Ireland’s plan to give shelter to up to 100,000 people fleeing the Russian invasion could pose a security risk to the UK. The number of refugees who have arrived in Britain remains in the low hundreds."

www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/ireland-won-t-shut-border-over-british-concerns-about-ukranian-refugees-ryan-1.4821428[/quote]
I think the general consensus here is that the UK should just fuck off. Most people here are utterly disgusted by the lack of common decency being shown by the UK at the moment.

[quote JackieWeaver101]Not only is Britain accepting very few refugees from Ukraine, it is putting pressure on Ireland not to accept 100,000 refugees.

"Ireland ‘won’t shut Border’ over British concerns about Ukrainian refugees

The Daily Telegraph on Tuesday quoted an unnamed British government source expressing concern that Ireland’s plan to give shelter to up to 100,000 people fleeing the Russian invasion could pose a security risk to the UK. The number of refugees who have arrived in Britain remains in the low hundreds."

www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/ireland-won-t-shut-border-over-british-concerns-about-ukranian-refugees-ryan-1.4821428[/quote]
Security risk to the UK from those coming over the Irish border? Proven beyond doubt.

But no security risk from putting the son of a KGB agent in the House of Lords against Security Services concerns.

Yeah, right...

I think the general consensus here is that the UK should just fuck off. Most people here are utterly disgusted by the lack of common decency being shown by the UK at the moment.

Yes, the hypocrisy of Westminster trying to interfere in Irish refugee policy while at the same time spouting platitudes about Russia treating Ukraine like a recalcitrant province...

The UK had actual Russian terrorists on its soil, poisoning people with novichok and polonium-210, at huge risk to the population. Those in power did the square root of fuck all about it, instead continuing to cosy up to Putin and his oligarchs and even slip into their well-lined pockets.

This is proven.

To conclude that women, children and men over 60 who are fleeing indiscriminate bombing is a higher risk and one that warrants dictating immigration policy to a sovereign state is sheer hypocrisy.

Very germane to this thread is the growing realisation that - through its journey from EEC, EC to EU, Europe has been highly and effectively prepared or inoculated against what is now happening.

The speed, breadth and depth of the European response - while far from perfect - owes a lot to long dead statesmen who pledged "never again" in 1945.

That's the power of "the war" in Europe. Not U fucking KIP gammons bleating about how they won it single handed.

Also the UK gets zero say in where the EU decides refugees can be housed. Something that can go in someones pipe somewhere to be smoked. I commend the Irish government for it's restraint in not pointing that out to the UK.

Ireland

Deal done.

An incorporeal cabinet meeting has signed off on…

🔻 15c cut in excise duty for diesel
🔻 20c cut in excise for petrol
🔻 2c cut in excise for green diesel

Measures to take effect from midnight - pending Dáil approval today - until end of August.

www.rte.ie/news/politics/2022/0309/1285254-excise-fuel/

Wtaf do the UK think they are doing telling another sovereign (that word again) nation how many refugees they can take in?

Christ, the delusional hubris of these bastards never ceases to amaze me

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@Opal8

Wtaf do the UK think they are doing telling another sovereign (that word again) nation how many refugees they can take in?

Christ, the delusional hubris of these bastards never ceases to amaze me

The hypocrisy of this being done while the UK decries Russias interference in Ukraines sovereignty is breathtaking.

Ireland - like Ukraine - knows what it's like to be bullied by an inhumane regime bordering it.

Yep...absolutely.
And will benefit from a grateful immigrant workforce in the future too

Sorry, its opal here!

Well.

Hasn't the mask truly slipped?

Hasn't the mask truly slipped?

Yes

Funny how people claiming they are standing up to Putin are seemingly terrified of a bunch of women, children, and over 60's refugees fleeing for their lives from a war zone.

But pretty standard for the innate racism of Brexshit and Brexshiteers...

@HannibalHeyes

Funny how people claiming they are standing up to Putin are seemingly terrified of a bunch of women, children, and over 60's refugees fleeing for their lives from a war zone.

But pretty standard for the innate racism of Brexshit and Brexshiteers...

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@ChiswickFlo

Yep...absolutely. And will benefit from a grateful immigrant workforce in the future too

The one thing I agreed with Grant Shapps over was that ideally any refuge will be temporary as people don't want to flee.

The problem is when it comes to the dispossessed the UK can only think of the Chagossians it evicted over half a century ago.

Depends if there's anything to go back to :(

I was saddened to see LouiseCollins28 response of feeling pretty good about Brexit. It's good is it to see countries having to rearm themselves? If the armaments are used it causes death and destruction. If not it's money wasted which could be better spent elsewhere on housing, health or education. I am no particular fan of Churchill, but jaw jaw is better than war war.

For all Johnson and Truss's grandstanding we as a nation have shown ourselves up pretty badly - slow to operate sanctions which ought not to have been necessary if we hadn't welcomed so much Russian money and a shameful record on the refugee situation.

However I was really intending my post for those Brexiter MPs - Gove, Rees-Mogg, etc. etc..

I should have added a bit more to the previous post.

Feeling pretty good tbh. European defence spending is too low.
It was also a curious non-sequiter. Whether E Europe and Germany choose to re-arm themselves has little to do with Brexit, as far as I can see. But I was really getting at Gove, Johnson, Rees-Mogg, IDS, and all those keen Brexiters who reckoned the EU was totally washed up but now we have states clamouring to join.