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Brexit

To ask what has improved since leaving the EU?

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Butterflyfluff · 20/02/2022 11:43

I’ve just had to pay customs charges on something I ordered from Germany - whilst we were in the EU there were no such charges.

Which got me thinking.

Leaving hasn’t been the disaster some predicted but, I can’t think of anything that affects me that’s actually improved since leaving.

What have other people’s upsides been? (And just being able to say we’re not in the EU anymore doesn’t count! 😂)

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jgw1 · 22/02/2022 20:31

@MarshaBradyo I've got a bit confused, but I feel you are the right person to help.
What benefits of Brexit have I enjoyed today?

MarshaBradyo · 22/02/2022 20:33

[quote jgw1]@MarshaBradyo I've got a bit confused, but I feel you are the right person to help.
What benefits of Brexit have I enjoyed today?[/quote]
Why would you ask me? Confused

Ask someone who voted for Brexit.

Alexandra2001 · 22/02/2022 20:36

@blameless ...but the EU watchdog did its thing, the breach was found and dealt with.

tbh what does it matter now? we aren't in the EU or Europol, which ACPO says is extremely limiting for our fight against international crime and which will affect our ability to trace Russian money around europe, maybe thats why we didn't want to stay in?

OhWhyNot · 22/02/2022 23:07

Cameron wouldn’t have won another election, given that if leave had received 48% of the vote would have been the reason the Tory party would have got rid of him before the next election. Too many potential voters needed a party that would distance its self from the EU Cameron couldn’t

We are in a vacuum Cameron led us there, Johnson took us in but every single MP that voted in parliament in support to hold a referendum without debate and discussion over the possibilities of the outcome are responsible too along with other political players

I wonder how many MP’s would admit to making a mistake, how many would admit this wasn’t thought out it’s nonsense that it wasn’t considered a risk when UKIP had just done so well

The whole thing has been shameful

Bunnyfuller · 22/02/2022 23:30

Off topic-ish but a really good article here on Putin/Russia’s mindset

www.wsj.com/articles/putins-endgame-unravel-the-post-cold-war-agreements-that-humiliated-russia-11645482412

travellinglighter · 23/02/2022 22:37

@BearOfEasttown

It's a bit of a hard question, because we had COVID immediately after leaving the EU, so life has been hard because of that. So we are NEVER going to know what it would have been like with just leaving the EU. All the shit going down - like energy and petrol prices, and food prices going up, is nothing to do with Brexit. This is a GLOBAL issue. So anyone blaming Brexit is being ridiculous.

But (in my opinion,) regarding leaving the EU.... Apart from a few extra customs rules, and getting used to having to have 3 months on your passport now when you travel to Europe, not much has changed.

I genuinely believe being in the EU benefitted very few people. Mostly the rich and privileged. So I am glad we are out! We save fuck-tons of money, and despite the EU (and a few remainers) trying every trick in the book to derail Brexit, and putting constant obstacles in our way afterwards, we are doing OK.

I also dread to think how the situation would have been with the covid vaccinations if the EU had been in charge. You can bet we would not have got the 100 million plus vaccines we had. The EU would have stopped that!!! If we'd still been with them.

I am glad we left. This is (predictably) turning into a Brexit-bashing thread, so this is my only post on here. I'm not getting into any pathetic arguments with butt-hurt remainers.

So £800 million quid a week in additional paperwork costs, no Erasmus program, no right to live and work in the eu, no right to study in the EU, no pet passports, shortage of basis commodities due to lack of lorry drivers. Increased costs, return of roaming charges, increased inflationary pressures and the fact that the rest of the world thinks we’re a laughing stock, all that’s passed you by?
travellinglighter · 23/02/2022 22:56

@VickyEadieofThigh

There are alternatives such as assisted dying. I don't want to go into a care home and be looked after by carers but at the moment I don't have any choice. Hopefully when we have a real care crisis people will realise the assisted dying is very important.

@ILoveAllRainbowsx Are you seriously suggesting that 'assisted dying' legislation ought to be introduced for people who are elderly and in need of care? Not simply for people who are in such pain and suffering owing to health conditions? We're still along way from the latter legislation, by the way, because it's extremely difficult to ensure it won't be forced on elderly people who have just become "inconvenient".

Because if you are, that's a very worrying thing to suggest and support.

Wow, cheaper fish and chips, a new ketchup factory and I’m seriously tempted to move to Gibraltar now.

Makes that additional £800 million a week in admin costs worth it now.

caringcarer · 09/04/2024 22:10

I've just read the United Nation Conference on Trade and Development have just released figures showing the UK has overtaken France, the Netherlands and Japan to go fourth in the list of exporters. As EU trade barriers have been removed the UK has gained 15 billion over 5 years. We've also joined the Pan Pacific Free Trade Association and we've secured 70 free trade agreements.

IItisymoi · 10/04/2024 08:27

caringcarer
And since when was life a 'competition' so you can stick your fingers up at others? EU trade barriers have NOT been removed and the EU already trade susing WTO trade agreements with practically all other countries that actually want to trade the various commodities, for which now the UK is a COMPETITOR it will suffer AND likely come second place when the WTO negotiated quotas are used up by EU companies. It looks like Brexiteers need to dio a LOT more homework to find out how the world really works: And as a handy hint it is a LOT more complicated than 'Love Island' or whatever trash is on your TV. The selective reporting that 'Mrs Miggins pie shop doubled it's production from 20 to 40 is NOT a reason for the Leavers to celebrate.

Alexandra2001 · 10/04/2024 08:43

caringcarer · 09/04/2024 22:10

I've just read the United Nation Conference on Trade and Development have just released figures showing the UK has overtaken France, the Netherlands and Japan to go fourth in the list of exporters. As EU trade barriers have been removed the UK has gained 15 billion over 5 years. We've also joined the Pan Pacific Free Trade Association and we've secured 70 free trade agreements.

Not sure how accurate that is?

Other indices show UK anything from 5th behind Germany and Japan to not even making the top 10.

A lot depends on if products are finished or not, if services included & if foreign owned companies are included or not, as profit will be taken out of the UK etc.

I see it like this, look around the high street, car dealerships and your own house (or in your case, houses) and tell me what is made in the UK ?

As you are well aware, almost all those 70 FTA's were roll overs from the EU ones we lost..... and its a bit odd we leave a European FTA and join one on the other side of the world....

Alexandra2001 · 10/04/2024 17:10

The Express??? come on.....

.... but its services driven, which make very little difference to the average british worker.... unlike manufacturing, which is why our economy is a lot smaller than Germany's or Japans, with correspondingly low productivity.

Looking at other trackers and the uk is still 7th to 9th, which is excellent, as even stripping out services, the uk still manufactures a large amount of unfinished goods for export.

Alexandra2001 · 11/04/2024 11:25

Talk about an own goal and an excuse to up prices beyond costs.

IItisymoi · 11/04/2024 12:10

Don't forget that the Leave voters knew all about trade between trade blocks and the differences between being IN a bloc and being OUT of a bloc of which there are over 100 DIFFERENT but interconnected trading Blocs in the world. The ERG were promoting reverting to basic 'WTO' trade rules for which the UK had 'membership rights' but NOT any specific trade deals with anybody once it left the EU so a range of tariffs would be applied 'swiftly' (inasmuch as trade deals are swift but measures in a decade for a 'deal' worth anything to the UK. )
The Trade deals with Australia are so good there was a 4 year block on Parliament actually seeing what the Government signed up to.

DuncinToffee · 11/04/2024 13:53

The DM is claiming the same until the end of the article when it states

“However, the UK could slip down the table when the figures come out again next year, with a recent report finding that the value of total goods exports fell by £17.4 billion (4.4 per cent), between 2022 and 2023.

Last month's ONS report said this was primarily because of falling imports and exports of fuels.

It added that, after adjusting for inflation, the UK imported and exported less in 2023 than it did in 2018.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13293237/brexit-Britain-biggest-exporter-France-remainers-blow-eu.html

Brexit Britain becomes the world's fourth BIGGEST exporter

The UK has shot up from its previous ranking of seventh in 2021, United Nations data has shown, rising three places in 2022. It is behind only China, the United States and Germany for exports.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13293237/brexit-Britain-biggest-exporter-France-remainers-blow-eu.html

Alondra · 13/04/2024 07:53

travellinglighter · 23/02/2022 22:56

@VickyEadieofThigh

There are alternatives such as assisted dying. I don't want to go into a care home and be looked after by carers but at the moment I don't have any choice. Hopefully when we have a real care crisis people will realise the assisted dying is very important.

@ILoveAllRainbowsx Are you seriously suggesting that 'assisted dying' legislation ought to be introduced for people who are elderly and in need of care? Not simply for people who are in such pain and suffering owing to health conditions? We're still along way from the latter legislation, by the way, because it's extremely difficult to ensure it won't be forced on elderly people who have just become "inconvenient".

Because if you are, that's a very worrying thing to suggest and support.

Wow, cheaper fish and chips, a new ketchup factory and I’m seriously tempted to move to Gibraltar now.

Makes that additional £800 million a week in admin costs worth it now.

The UK and the EU (with the Spanish and Gibraltar governments driving the talks) are close to a deal. The deal will cover a multitude of financial, frontiers, and legal issues but will see Gibraltar being the only British territory or country in Britain being part of the Schengen Zone with free movement in Europe.

If I were Scottish I'd be livid.
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Alondra · 13/04/2024 10:34

An article from EL Pais talking about the negotiations between Spain (EU) and Gibraltar (UK)

"The European Union is, in broad strokes, a handful of rules, a community of values - lately on the decline - a short currency and, above all, a single market of some 500 million people that goes from the Finnish forests to Sanlúcar de Barrameda, from Finisterre to the Cypriot coast, and which is the true jewel in the crown of Europe along with the Schengen zone, which allows the free movement of people.

Regarding that diamond in the form of Schengen and the single market, Gibraltar is a kind of toothache: a formidable hole. “Brexit means Brexit,” Brussels has told the British since they consummated their departure from the Union, but in the last four years that motto – equivalent to a you-asked for it – has not been valid for Gibraltar, which has continued to operate as if nothing else: without the obligations that a pact would entail and practically without any control since January 2021. Gibraltar lives in the best of all worlds, with the advantages of the single market and free movement and without any of the associated duties.

Brexit was a huge loss for the EU : with the referendum that an irresponsible person called David Cameron pulled out of his sleeve — life gives you surprises: now he is essential for the pact in Gibraltar, as head of British Foreign Affairs — almost 70 millions of people, a military power, one of the oldest democracies on the planet and, in short, a way of looking at the world. The negotiations for the exit were a headache. And they left two poisoned gifts: Northern Ireland, a real mess, and Gibraltar . The Irish dispute has entered the process of resolution, but it remains not completely resolved. Neither does Gibraltar. Because when issues related to borders and identity politics mix, trouble is guaranteed: the Executive of the very forgettable Theresa May did not hesitate to activate a rhetorical and nostalgic war in 2021 in which British conservatives came to compare Gibraltar with the Falklands. “35 years after the Falkland Islands [English name for the archipelago], we are going to defend the freedom of a small group of British people against another Spanish-speaking country,” conservative leader Michael Howard said then, with that ulcer-plague tone typical of nationalisms.

And yet, almost three years of negotiations are coming to an end, if the obstacles of airport management , the mobility of people associated with the Schengen area and the imbroglio of the customs agreement can be overcome in an enclave that has made a fortune with tobacco smuggling, drug trafficking and all kinds of financial and fiscal tricks. Spanish* *Treasury is rightly suspicious, hence why this meeting at the highest level has been called to give political impetus to the last mile of the negotiation. There is too much political capital on the table to think that these talks will not come to fruition. But Spain - or Brussels - should set a deadline, because otherwise the Gibraltarian hole in the European single market and the Schengen area will tend to last forever.

After Brexit was consummated, the surge was huge. The wound has not yet healed, although relations between London and Brussels have visibly improved. This improvement may benefit the Gibraltar negotiation, which in recent times has been an exhausting uphill climb: we will have to see if the British and Spanish manage to bell the cat "in the coming weeks", as Spain ventures. The Gibraltarians were selling last night that the agreement is “a kiss away”. But we should remember that the lips that need to be kissed are those of Cameron, the protagonist of one of the greatest political absurdities of recent times.

Cameron called the referendum to leave the EU to establish himself at the head of his party. He lost it miserably. He was forced to leave office. And that day, after announcing his resignation before a swarm of journalists, he turned whistling towards 10 Downing Street: look for those images because they are the living image of an irresponsible person. If the agreement is really within the distance of a kiss, we will have to be careful so that no one leaves whistling. The hole would run the risk of remaining there sine die."

https://elpais.com/espana/2024-04-13/gibraltar-un-agujero-y-un-tipo-que-se-larga-silbando.html

Brexit en EL PAÍS

Todas las noticias sobre Brexit publicadas en EL PAÍS. Información, novedades y última hora sobre Brexit.

https://elpais.com/noticias/referendum-permanencia-reino-unido-ue/

Doteycat · 14/05/2024 18:40

🙄

IpanemaPeaHen · 15/05/2024 07:16

😂

tizalinatuna · 15/05/2024 07:59

Baron class grabs more while productivity dives off a cliff, seems to be the gist of that article.

IItisymoi · 15/05/2024 11:07

It seems that the UK government 'forgot' that although the UK may not be the greatest on the planet, it's warfaring past keeps it on the 'watch list' for any shenanigans so the security services across the globe will have been taking careful note and pictures of the UK antics. 40% of the worlds 'dirty money' being laundered by UK interests (while not benefitting UK citizens) will have many people interested.

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