To ask what has improved since leaving the EU?

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I’ve just had to pay customs charges on something I ordered from Germany - whilst we were in the EU there were no such charges.

Which got me thinking.

Leaving hasn’t been the disaster some predicted but, I can’t think of anything that affects me that’s actually improved since leaving.

What have other people’s upsides been? (And just being able to say we’re not in the EU anymore doesn’t count! 😂)

Germany is in recession. Economically we are doing better than rest of EU. We now have trade deal with Australia and Japan and almost completed one with New Zealand. Once we join trading partnership, and we are in the final approval stage, it will bolster our economy further.

Germany is in recession. Economically we are doing better than rest of EU. We now have trade deal with Australia and Japan and almost completed one with New Zealand. Once we join trading partnership, and we are in the final approval stage, it will bolster our economy further.

Which of these are improvements? Another country in recession is neither here nor there unless the UK becomes a direct beneficiary of this. Doing better than the EU is debatable.
Trade agreement with Japan was essentially and EU agreement rolled over with slightly worse terms.

Australia deal - which may help destroy UK farming, but otherwise provides what exactly that the UK needs and can't obtain elsewhere? And a TransPacific partnership for a country literally on the other side of the world, with no Pacific coastline whatever? What again will that provide us with?

Even if everything you have posted is true, caringcarer how are these matters benefits of Brexit?
Germany is in recession due to covid but expected to bounce back 2nd quarter. How is Germany being in recession a Brexit benefit?
FTA with Japan is no better than what we'd have via EU deal.
Aus trade deal has sold out our farmers and food standards and expected to add 0.02% to economy over 15 years.

How does this make up for what we've lost? Answer: it doesn't.

a TransPacific partnership for a country literally on the other side of the world, with no Pacific coastline whatever? What again will that provide us with?

The Pacific region is where unicorns are bred. Still waiting for mine to arrive.

@DuncinToffee

Still no benefits or improvements?

We have our sovereignty back, we have taking back control of our borders, we have crowns on pint glasses, blue passports and best of all our laws our still being made by faceless bureaucrats in Westminster and we have a Prime Minister who is not even responsible for the appointment and behaviour of staff he has appointed to work closely with him.

@Peregrina

Germany is in recession. Economically we are doing better than rest of EU. We now have trade deal with Australia and Japan and almost completed one with New Zealand. Once we join trading partnership, and we are in the final approval stage, it will bolster our economy further.

Which of these are improvements? Another country in recession is neither here nor there unless the UK becomes a direct beneficiary of this. Doing better than the EU is debatable.
Trade agreement with Japan was essentially and EU agreement rolled over with slightly worse terms.

Australia deal - which may help destroy UK farming, but otherwise provides what exactly that the UK needs and can't obtain elsewhere? And a TransPacific partnership for a country literally on the other side of the world, with no Pacific coastline whatever? What again will that provide us with?

You are missing the whole point.

The whole point of Brexit is to demonstrate that the English British are best. Another country being in recession is course for celebration because then we can point and laugh at the silly foreigners.

So Brexit is a state of mind, you just have to believe and it will come?

@caringcarer

Germany is in recession. Economically we are doing better than rest of EU. We now have trade deal with Australia and Japan and almost completed one with New Zealand. Once we join trading partnership, and we are in the final approval stage, it will bolster our economy further.

What are the measurements you are using to determine economic performance? I would be interested to see a link.

@caringcarer

Germany is in recession. Economically we are doing better than rest of EU. We now have trade deal with Australia and Japan and almost completed one with New Zealand. Once we join trading partnership, and we are in the final approval stage, it will bolster our economy further.

So how does Germany being in recession help us exactly? We HAD better trade deals with all of those countries before Brexit, we are just having to waste time and money getting new ones while being in a weaker position

@caringcarer

Germany is in recession. Economically we are doing better than rest of EU. We now have trade deal with Australia and Japan and almost completed one with New Zealand. Once we join trading partnership, and we are in the final approval stage, it will bolster our economy further.

Delusional, Europe is on the brink of war and whilst we had the fastest growing GDP, that is from a bigger fall in GDP than suffered by e.g. Germany.

Trade deals with these countries will not make up for the fall in European trade.

Plus you people made us weak.

@MarshaBradyo

Chairs of the commons defence and intelligence committees wanted NATO troops in Ukraine months ago.

And where would we be now if troops were there?

I want de escalation no doubt about it. Others want a display of strength as opposed to what they see as weak.

Escalation is very concerning imo. And others too, listening to general expert views.

If we wanted de-escalation, then guarantee Ukraine wont join NATO.

Gives Putin what he wanted, now with Russian troops on Ukraine's soil/disputed areas, can never join.

We could have negotiated that without him invading the place... he has completely outfoxed NATO/the West.

So how does Germany being in recession help us exactly?

I think I have already explained this today.
The whole point of Brexit is to demonstrate that the English British are best, so another country full of foreigners being in recession demonstrates this and supports Brexit.

I see Boris is blaming the EU for world gas price rises today... so much for holding our politicians to account post brexit.

No mention that EU consumers are facing far lower prices than UK ones or that we allow Green and N.Sea gas to be sold on world markets, whcih UK then buys back.

@Alexandra2001

I see Boris is blaming the EU for world gas price rises today... so much for holding our politicians to account post brexit.

No mention that EU consumers are facing far lower prices than UK ones or that we allow Green and N.Sea gas to be sold on world markets, whcih UK then buys back.

Do not be too hard on Boris he has a plan. He is going to give you £200 off your gas bill next autumn, which you will have to then pay back when the price of gas is higher.

This is a good thing because it means more profit for the gas companies, including EDF which is of course owned by the French government.

If we wanted de-escalation, then guarantee Ukraine wont join NATO.

Difficult issue as part of their constitution now so obviously what they now want.

Whether they meet all the hurdles is still up for debate

• Rafael Loss at the European Council on Foreign Relations says that Ukraine doesn't really satisfy the criteria for becoming a member.

Anyway as this is a Brexit thread to get it back on track I’d say it’s very far fetched to imagine the outcome of Brexit would divert Putin from what he wants.

It’s even debatable that saying no access to NATO will stop him. So there’s no way us voting remain is much more than a tiny pebble in the scheme of things. It’s overstating the importance of our role.

Anyway as this is a Brexit thread to get it back on track I’d say it’s very far fetched to imagine the outcome of Brexit would divert Putin from what he wants

So why did Putin influence and want the outcome to be Leave? Brexit has divided Europe and split its most power nations.

It’s even debatable that saying no access to NATO will stop him. So there’s no way us voting remain is much more than a tiny pebble in the scheme of things. It’s overstating the importance of our role

We don't know that, Putin has been asking for but been ignored for many years, he has only got the oxygen of publicity since putting troops on the border.

Outside, the UK is minor country, inside the EU (which is not a insignificant organisation) we had influence, that has gone.

@jgw1

So how does Germany being in recession help us exactly?

I think I have already explained this today.
The whole point of Brexit is to demonstrate that the English British are best, so another country full of foreigners being in recession demonstrates this and supports Brexit.

Oh I see now We look better because they look worse? How silly of me not to realise

It’s hard to know if the west withdraw NATO it will appease -

KYIV — The West is mistaken if it thinks finding a compromise on Ukraine’s potential NATO membership will end Russia’s aggression against the country, a top Ukrainian government security official said Friday.

In an interview with POLITICO, Oleksiy Danilov, the secretary of Ukraine’s National Security and Defense Council, warned that Russian President Vladimir Putin’s objections to Ukraine one day joining the alliance were not the underlying cause of the current crisis, sparked by the deployment of more than 100,000 Russian troops near Ukraine’s borders.

On EU preventing this, Germany is also a key player and they seem reluctant.

While he thanked countries like the U.S., U.K., Poland, the Czech Republic and the Baltic states for supporting Ukraine’s army with weapons, he lashed out at Germany’s refusal to deliver defensive arms.

“We asked Germany for help, repeatedly, and unfortunately we received a refusal every time. Germany has a very short memory,” Danilov said

It’s a complex situation and I’m reading more into it but even with a Remain win Putin’s wants would still be evident, and I doubt we’d be in a different situation today.

There’s so many people speaking on this and I’m yet to encounter it as a mention. Most are focusing on NATO and what we’ll do

Just now a call for harshest economic sanctions and weapons help - which is what is being discussed.

Oh I see now
We look better because they look worse?
How silly of me not to realise

And they are foreign, do not forget that.

@MarshaBradyo Bit harsh to blame Germany with their history in Europe and their constitution, Of course Ukraine is going to poo hoo them not joining NATO.

Germany has just cancelled Nordstream2 something that will hit Germany pretty hard, its a great pity the UK will not go after the monetary structures that have been used to protect Russian assets in London, playing around with a few banks isn't going to bother Putin, if it ever happens?

Not being in Europol doesn't help in tracing Russian ill gotten gains either but whilst i agree had Remain won wouldn't have stopped Putin, it would help with our response to him, not least because we wouldn't have Boris in power, someone who has already proven to be very weak against Russian criminals in London.

Bit harsh to blame Germany with their history in Europe and their constitution, Of course Ukraine is going to poo hoo them not joining NATO.

Well it’s a quote from Danilov so if they feel that way, it’s up to them.

The whole point of Brexit is to demonstrate that theEnglish British are best. Another country being in recession is course for celebration because then we can point and laugh at the silly foreigners

Rule Britannia!

It’s not that Brexit/no Brexit changes Putin’s “wants” - it’s that dividing Europe makes it easier for those wants to be achieved.

Why else would he had pushed for/paid for Brexit?

@CryingAtTheDiscotheque

It’s not that Brexit/no Brexit changes Putin’s “wants” - it’s that dividing Europe makes it easier for those wants to be achieved.

Why else would he had pushed for/paid for Brexit?

What’s with all the “air quotes”

How much harder would it have been if remain had happened? Where would be today do you think. Russia going into Ukraine or not?

NATO is where the alliance matters and the response from countries within that, I know Brexit is a big deal here, but the impacted on the course of what is happening is overstated.

So why did Russia pay for Brexit then Marsha? Seeing as you're fond of questions.