Brexit Megathread Part 3: COP26 and beyond. The Empire is no more.

[prettybird]

The old thread is nearly full so as COP26 is in my home town, I thought I'd start the next one.

I'm not expecting anything wonderful from COP26. The selfishness that is Brexit will extend to the rich nations - or rather corporations, countries and cronies - not wanting to do anything that might actually cost them money or hurt their profits and having made their money on the back of the resources of the poorer nations (in some cases quite literally ), they'll expect them to pay the price for the riches of the West.

The deliberate mistranslation of France's letter to the EU will distract from real issues - but that's ok for BJ as he can then blame the perfidious French.

Nothing changes.

Hope you both get well soon prettybird. Ds off school today with a bad cold here but negative test.

Proper mauling in the papers for Johnson this morning which is encouraging. Could this be the moment they start to really turn on him?

prettybird hope you & the family feel better very soon.
Matt Green clip very very funny😀

In Scotland we still have to wear masks in shops and on public transport - but there were no restrictions at the funeral in England or the pub afterwards. And while technically we should have been wearing masks when moving around the club where both the Halloween Party and the wake for the funeral on Monday were held, not everyone did. It was also very crowded.

Judging by dh's symptoms, which preceded mine, I think we caught it in Englandshire

@prettybird Sorry to hear that - get well soon, and hoping all your loved ones will be fine x

@Lonelycrab

Hope you both get well soon prettybird. Ds off school today with a bad cold here but negative test.

Proper mauling in the papers for Johnson this morning which is encouraging. Could this be the moment they start to really turn on him?

He'll just be a fall guy though. The whole Gvmnt is a joke.

Hope you get better soon prettybird.

Johnson, yes, will be the fall guy. There are others - Rees-Mogg especially - who ought to know better, but appear not to.

Grease-Smug is really not that bright. Just expensively educated. Which he and an appalling number of the electorate seems to think is the same thing...

Chris Grey in his weekly blog spot gives a very detailed analysis of the fisheries dispute with Jersey and the Northern Ireland Protocol.

I take this comment from his blog:
That said, reports that the government plans to rig the legal advice to justify invoking Article 16 (£) are very ominous.

Here I think events of the last two days, although nothing to do with Brexit, are pertinent. We have seen an outcry when Johnson and chums try to rig the rules when they find them inconvenient. So Paterson may have brought about a greater realisation for the general public just how duplicitous Johnson's Government is. Not least a number of those 250 Tory MPs look like fools and their arguments that they were blackmailed with threats of withholding 'levelling up' funds don't really wash, because 13 Tory MPs had enough integrity to say "This is wrong, I won't support it, I will take the consequences of defying the whip."

Thanks for the new thread prettybird, hope you feel better soon.

Not Brexit related, but related to a Government not running the country properly, my local foodbank has put out an appeal due to a drop in donations at the same time as a huge surge in demand due to the Universal Credit uplift ending. I can't believe this is now the norm in present day UK. Has anyone seen the thread on here with the lady who can't afford to eat and heat her home now the UC uplift has stopped?

It is bleak lonelycrab, so many things are now.

I can't believe this is now the norm in present day UK.

But sadly, I still know people who think that they are lazy scroungers who don't work.

@HappyWinter

Thanks for the new thread prettybird, hope you feel better soon.

Not Brexit related, but related to a Government not running the country properly, my local foodbank has put out an appeal due to a drop in donations at the same time as a huge surge in demand due to the Universal Credit uplift ending. I can't believe this is now the norm in present day UK. Has anyone seen the thread on here with the lady who can't afford to eat and heat her home now the UC uplift has stopped?

It is bleak lonelycrab, so many things are now.

An acquaintance recently overheard two women in the street discussing the government. One of them remarked that at least they provided food banks for people.

That kind of misunderstanding could explain a lot.

at least they provided people for the food banks for people

Fixed it for them..

GOVERNMENT OF ALL THE U-TURNS:

www.politico.eu/newsletter/london-playbook/remember-remember-blame-game-36-u-turns-in-23-months/

Hope you get better soon prettybird

Get well soon to you and yours prettybird

But sadly, I still know people who think that they are lazy scroungers who don't work.

This has been the media narrative and people believe it. They forget they've also left themselves without a safety net should they experience long term job loss, have a child with health issues or disabilities or problems with their own health meaning they can no longer work.

This has been the media narrative and people believe it.

Indeed and since I am particularly thinking of older people - they forget their own fortune - e.g. houses bought cheaply, final salary pensions , a welfare state brought in when they were children or teens, so spared the worry of not being able to afford the doctor's fees when a family member became ill. It's "I'm all right jack" instead of "Others sacrificed or fought to enable me to live in comfort."

@HappyWinter

But sadly, I still know people who think that they are lazy scroungers who don't work.

This has been the media narrative and people believe it. They forget they've also left themselves without a safety net should they experience long term job loss, have a child with health issues or disabilities or problems with their own health meaning they can no longer work.

Only have to look at some MN threads & see those attitudes.

Yet again Johnson wriggles out of declaring what his latest freebe should have cost - interpreting the rules to say he doesn't have to. Whether this is strictly true or not, it doesn't look good.

@Peregrina

Yet again Johnson wriggles out of declaring what his latest freebe should have cost - interpreting the rules to say he doesn't have to. Whether this is strictly true or not, it doesn't look good.

I hold dear a quaint notion that those in charge should not only obey the rules but be so far from any grey areas there can be no doubt of their integrity.

@HappyWinter

But sadly, I still know people who think that they are lazy scroungers who don't work.

This has been the media narrative and people believe it. They forget they've also left themselves without a safety net should they experience long term job loss, have a child with health issues or disabilities or problems with their own health meaning they can no longer work.

This is closely related to the perpetually low-quality thinking around human rights. Plus the equally dim brigade who struggle to understand that "the law" is a madey-uppy construct which only deserves the respect it gives.

As has been pointed out before - the people that hid Anne Frank were breaking the law. The people who murdered her were obeying the law.

Still they're both useful bear traps for thickies. If you parrot them, you go in my mental killfile. Along with people who "had Covid" in 2019 and other assorted losers.

An old boyfriend of mine told me that he'd had a law lecturer who said that the key thing for his students to grasp was that any relationship between law and justice is purely fortuitous.

The best that can be hoped for is that the law as written is close to justice as it is perceived

@HappyWinter

But sadly, I still know people who think that they are lazy scroungers who don't work.

This has been the media narrative and people believe it. They forget they've also left themselves without a safety net should they experience long term job loss, have a child with health issues or disabilities or problems with their own health meaning they can no longer work.

This has always been my reasons for lazy media views.

The I suffered why shouldn’t they attitude is chilling, shortsighted and immoral.

There was a central heating thread the other day lots of ‘I froze why shouldn’t you’.

Don’t people want better for their DC and fellow man? Why are so many English authoritarian and masochist.

Or "We managed during the War".

It's one thing fighting a regime which went on to murder millions and quite another to manage so that some Public schoolboys can make themselves richer.

"We managed during the War"

Well your [great][grand]parents did.

Anyone still alive now, who claims to have been "in the war" was a child during the war, and a drain on national resources. Basically if you grew up in Britain during the war, you were helping the Germans ....